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04-09-2008, 06:10 PM
I know you are sopose to get 8 glasses a day. Do you include things like coffee, or juice in this equation? Or is it strickly water?

04-09-2008, 06:20 PM
I include everything, although I mostly just drink plain ol' water anyway. This definitely includes coffee, diet soda, tea, juice, etc. There was a poster a while ago (can't remember who, sorry!) who was speaking about a family member who actually had water poisoning because they drank a lot of coffee, but also drank tons of water because they felt like coffee didn't count! Not that it's a really common thing, but it's important not to go overboard with your liquid consumption...

04-09-2008, 06:20 PM
Well...I always thought that the 8 glasses of water needed to be just water - not including other beverages or liquids. But, Dr. Oz, on the Oprah show said that all liquids count in your daily total (water, coffee, juice, pop, tea, etc). However, I still do it the way I was taught way back when. I remember that even Oprah (the nations most "professional dieter") was very surprised when Dr. Oz said it.

Suzanne 3FC
04-09-2008, 07:05 PM
The official recommendation is for 'fluids', not specifically water. But it was easier to advise people to drink water because everyone already drinks water. Plus all fluids that we drink contain water anyway.

The body doesn't know the difference if you drink water that has a flavor or other additive since the water is still there. It all counts :) Plain water is more refreshing, so a lot of people say they feel better when they drink it plain.

04-09-2008, 07:31 PM
I know in my mind I try to keep to "water", because pop, coffee, etc. have other calories and stuff in it. But I had heard quite a while back that most liquids count. At that time, they discounted colas and coffees because the caffeine is a diuretic, but that seems to have changed. I think the big thing to keep in mind is the added calories that can easily add up!

04-09-2008, 08:05 PM
As far as water goes....

When I moved to Korea I really got into just drinking water and coffee. Not by choice necessarily but it just kind of happened. I rarely drink a diet soda but I do drink wine and beer when I go out.

I will say I have seen a lot of benefits on my skin and teeth. The dentist alwasy comments on how well my teeth are doing and I tell him that I drink mostly water each day and brush my teeth right after coffee in the morning. It has made a difference in my health. I have a bottled water fountain in my house and it just works really well. (In Seoul you can not drink the tap water.) I try to drink at least 48 to 64 ounces a day and I really think it has made a difference in a lot of ways.....of course cutting out the diet soda was a big plus for me. Now if I do have one I feel very uncomforatable.

LiLi Gettin Thin
04-09-2008, 08:17 PM
Every once in a while I'll still hear that you aren't supposed to count caffeinated drinks in your daily total because caffeine is a diuretic. IMHO, that's not right because the amount of water you lose from the caffeine is much less than the amount of liquid accompanying it. So, it should all count.

Something else I've heard lately is that 64oz. is actually overkill too. There was a doctor on some show I was watching a few weeks ago...I can't remember what it was, darn it...but he said that you get so much liquid from just food that you get a lot of your daily requirements from what you eat. If you think about it, it makes sense. Soup, fruit, tomato sauce, pudding, all of that is mostly liquid. I don't know how to count that though, so I'll just stick with the 64oz until someone gives me a different number! ;)

04-10-2008, 08:51 AM
There is a recent study out about this by a couple of UPa doctors showing that the recommendation to get 64 oz of water/day does not have a scientific basis. I was really happy to hear this because I've never been a big one for guzzling water. I feel nauseous if I drink too much or too fast. I do have a 32 oz Nalgene bottle that I fill every day and drink by lunchtime. Then I also drink coffee, tea, milk, and eat a lot of soup, so I feel like I'm getting plenty. I have noticed that my skin looks and feels better, and the sinus problems I used to have are almost non-existant these days, so I think it's good to drink water, but not in excessive amounts.

04-10-2008, 09:26 AM
I count everything. If I had to have 8 glasses of water on top of all my coffee and milk - my eyeballs would be floating.
Not to mention that when you eat a diet with fresh fruits and veggies, you are actually getting in a good amount of your daily allotment of fluids.

04-10-2008, 11:39 AM
I only count water as my 8 glasses of water...anything else I drink would be extra. My OCD tells me I MUST drink at least 8 glasses of plain ol' water each day! ;)

04-10-2008, 11:47 AM
Anybody else think it's odd that humans are the most advanced species on Earth and yet we are the only one who spends time worrying about whether we get enough water? Every other species drinks when it's thirsty. I don't remember my Vet ever telling me to make sure my dogs get enough water; the dim-witted little varmints seem perfectly capable of wandering over to the water dish and getting a drink all by themselves.

And yet we spend countless hours worrying about our water intake and what counts instead of just getting a drink when we're thirsty.

04-10-2008, 12:05 PM
See, that's what I think too Robin. I seriously doubt that cave people spent any time worrying about whether they were getting 64 oz of water or not (unless there was none to be had)! I'm sure they just wandered over to the stream when they were feeling thirsty. Now, RECOGNIZING thirst is a whole different issue. I sometimes think I'm hungry or want to eat only to realize that I'm really just thirsty.

04-10-2008, 12:15 PM
I think there is so much misinformation out there, mostly perpetuated by womens' magazines. I remember on a diet website (ediets) they said you had to drink half your body weight in ounces of water. Most couldn't do it. You can actually really hurt yourself drinking too much water. I think women have been abusing their bodies for so many years by trying all the latest wacko diets and trends that we don't even know when we are thirsty/hungry any more.

04-10-2008, 04:41 PM
Well, in an ideal situation, we would drink when we were thirsty but in an ideal world we would only eat when hungry and we wouldn't have to count calories, carbs, what have you.

I don't think our systems are in tune with our hunger and our thirst. I do know that I now drink more water than I ever did. I drink less diet soda/ juices/coffee than I used to. I consume at least 64 oz of water everyday, probably more like 80 every day. I do feel that it helps me feel better and it helps me lose weight. Anything else, I drink when I feel like it. I do drink water with meals to help fill me up.

I am certainly a person that has benefited from the drink more water advice. I used to hate it and could barely stand water. I now crave it and don't feel right when I am not drinking water.

04-10-2008, 04:56 PM
Anybody else think it's odd that humans are the most advanced species on Earth and yet we are the only one who spends time worrying about whether we get enough water? Every other species drinks when it's thirsty. Yeah, but my varmint will also sit in front of the food bowl and chow it all down, then walk 4 feet away and yuck it all up again because she ate too much, too fast.

If we all lived 100% natural lives and weren't exposed to the stressors we're all exposed to - then sure, let your body lead. But unless you're doing the Walden experiment again, I think it makes sense to put a little more thought into it.


04-10-2008, 05:35 PM
I was just reading recently (darn, I wish I could remember where I read it, and the specific studies cited) that thirst works sufficiently for the vast majority of people - with the noted exception of certain endurance and extreme athletes and people with certain mental illnesses (who for example might compulsively drink large amounts of water).

The common "women's magazine," and "dieting" water myths are a personal peeve of mine, because my mother nearly died of water intoxication, in part because of bad advice gotten at her WW meetings (caffeinated beverages DO count, because they provide far more water than they "take away" in diuretic effects).

All fluids do count. The reccomendation of 64 ounces per day was originally meant as an average "from all sources" which included foods as well as beverages. In essence, a game of "telephone" has been played through the years that has distorted this to 64 ounces of liquid and then to 64 ounces of uncaffeinated liquid, and then to 64 ounces of "pure" water (which by the way doesn't really exist, except as distilled water, which is not recommended for drinking), and then to an ounce of water for every 2 lbs of body weight (which would likely be a lethal dose of water for myself, especially as I'm on the same blood pressure medication that put my mother at greater risk for water intoxication.) And somewhere along the line, the ridiculous claim that for every cup of coffee you had to drink an aditional cup (and more recently I've seen as high as 2 cups) of water.

04-10-2008, 06:10 PM
Your dogs don't have to chose whether to drink water, soda, coffee or tea to count as their hydration. :dizzy: They only get to pick water so there's no problem.

I have read that the 8 8-ounce glasses is an urban legend with no studies in existence on the amount of water the human body needs. It is hard to believe that people need the same amount of water regardless of size or life-style. I think we should be using thirst as our guide and we should be trying to make as much of what we drink water as we can.

04-10-2008, 07:18 PM
Here's a link to a summary of research by Dartmouth researchers about how there's no scientific evidence for the "8 x 8" rule (8-8 ounce glasses of water/day), and that not all the liquid needs to be water.


At the bottom is a link to the published article (for those of you who like primary sources!)

04-10-2008, 07:32 PM
Thirsty equals dehydration... just my 2 cents....

04-10-2008, 08:02 PM
I agree with SweetCaroline - and have now read it many times - that our thirst is a good indication of when to drink. The only exception they have noted is athletes, who should drink something with electrolytes to replenish those as well as rehydrate.

I made a discovery today - after many years of trying, I was able to drink black coffee and enjoy it. :coffee: So there are a few daily calories gone (I used to drink only two per day, but with cream - couldn't even take it with whole milk, much less skim). My other steady drink is water - don't drink pop, and wine only occasionally. A small but meaningful victory for me!

04-10-2008, 09:26 PM
some of the "we must drink more water" myth started with the bottled water companies. They sponsored the initial studies that stated we need all this water ($$$). Medical science is finally catching up and debunking...