100 lb. Club - Insults from strangers - how do you deal with it?

03-07-2008, 03:25 AM
Yesterday, I had a situation happen and I was wondering how other people would have handled this.
I was walking back home after picking up my daughter from school. As I was crossing the street, two girls were crossing the street as well. I would say that they were between 10-11 years old. One of them pointed right at me and said to her friend loud enough for everyone to hear "Look! There is a pig!" Then they were laughing.
There is no way that I heard it wrong because the same girl once again said to her friend "What a pig!" after they were across the street.
I was pretty much in shock that someone would say that so, I sort of froze and did nothing except look at them.
I went home and thought about it. It made me angry and sad. I don't know why people feel the need to comment about MY weight. I know I am overweight, I don't need somebody else to rub it in. Also, I was minding my own business, trying to get somewhere. I wasn't harassing anyone so, why do they feel the need to harass me?
The more that I am around children that are not my own, the more I realize how hard it must be to be a child who doesn't fit in the "normal looking" category. Children truly can be the cruelest when it comes to insults.
I also understand that saying "The more people I meet, the more I love my cat!" All I wanted to do at that point was go home and cuddle up with my fur ball. He loves me no matter what I look like. He is completely non-judgmental.
In a way, I also felt blessed. I'm happy that my children get to see the other side of the fence. They wouldn't make fun of someone that looks different or "not normal" because they know insults hurt. And that the person being made fun of is someone's mother, father, brother, sister, etc.
And then I was sad because I know that even if I had a witty comeback to that girl's insult, it would have done nothing. She isn't going to change just because I said something to her. If anything, it probably would have made the situation worse. It would have gave them something more to laugh about. They would have been thinking "Did you see how upset that fat lady got? Ha ha ha!"
I told my husband what happened over dinner. My husband is an attractive (or so I think :)) "normal" sized man so, he was totally lost for words. He said he could never imagine that someone would make a comment like that right out on the street especially a child to an adult. I said "Surprise! This child did." And then he said "Well, both you and I know that you aren't a pig. And that is what matters right?"
He is right. I shouldn't worry about what anyone else but, my family thinks of me. But, it is still hard to deal with the insults.
So, I was just wondering how other people would have handled it? Have you had something similar happen to you?
Thanks for taking the time to read my mini novel! :hug:

03-07-2008, 03:57 AM
I have had a similar experience however it was not with a child it was with someone who i would say was probably around 20-25yrs old. The 2 people felt the need to tell ME that I didn't need to eat MY SALAD b/c i was already big enough...only they didn't have the balls to say it directly to ME they had to say it to each other but loud enough for me to hear it. People like that are ignorant in my book. A child atleast can use the excuse of being a child but a grown up? come on man. ugggh I just don't understand people sometimes. I am sorry you had to go thru that. If it was me i might have said something to the children.Nothing mean, just maybe a question of why or what. Just something to let them know you heard them and that its not 100% ok for them to do that.Big hugs to you though.:hug:

03-07-2008, 03:58 AM
I think I would probably would have given them the most killer look and said ' Don't you girls have anything better to do than talk about your elders? Remember, things you say have a way of coming back and biting you in the behind so I would suggest you think before you speak.' Okay, I just lied. I probably would have said something WAY more graphic and scarred them for life. But I'm younger than you and more reckless. :D

03-07-2008, 05:14 AM
Kids are mean sometimes. I was overweight in high school but I was lucky because I had a lot of friends and a lot of my friends were very popular, I missed out on the being picked on stage growing up. If someone would have made a comment about me then my friends immediately said something so I only got the occasional look or comment. However, there was a girl in my grade who was not so lucky. I went to school with her from 7th-12th grade and she was constantly the butt of jokes, people were down right mean to her. They called her names, played pranks on her, no one would partner with her in activities and she really had no friends. In a way I realize how lucky I was to not have to go through that even though this girl and I were the same size.

Recently it hasn't been so easy! What makes it even harder is when you know that they are talking about you but it's in a different language. There were a group of boys who would constantly shout thing at me in Italian (I was in Italy) when I was at the park with my 4 children (I'm an au pair), I ignored it. I think that is the best thing you can do. I explained to my kids that those were "bad boys" who were not nice. I think at times it can be hard when you recieve a comment like that because they don't know how hard you work, and they were obviously brought up without manners.

03-07-2008, 06:32 AM
I was obese for over 20 years. I think this has happened to most of us.

You can't change people. They truly don't feel good about themselves that is why they point out others flaws

The only thing that matters at the end of the day is how you feel about you.

I personally did not feel good about me and that is the why I was obese.
But that is my story. My head is in the right place now. I concentrate on me and hope that I can help as many people or more than have helped me.

Try to look at the positive things of life. Smart remarks will never help those type of people. In the end they probably will be obese later in life and have to realize how they have treated others on their own.

03-07-2008, 08:16 AM
I'm not going to go with the whole "they don't know any better" thing, because if they were old enough to be walking out on their own, they were old enough to know better.

Kids are stupid. Kids are VERY stupid. And they'll often say things to make themselves appear better or cooler to other stupid children. Now, mothers don't jump down my throat, because I was a stupid kid once, too. As were all of us.

I actually think you did the adult thing by ignoring them. Because I would have pointed back and said "Hey it's an ugly horse! Look at the ugly horse! How funny! What an ugly little girl you are! Hilarious!" But... then... again, I'm not very mature. :o

03-07-2008, 08:36 AM
Oh, I don't think any parent would jump down your throat on that one, Faerie! ;)

Kids do act stupid. But really, this was a 10 or 11 year old? I would have said something like, "Honey, you'll be sorry you said that--it's rude." She was showing off and getting a thrill from it--and she got away with it because you didn't say anything.

I doubt this same child would be tossing around the "N" word... not for long...

And you have to let it roll off because you are the adult.

I was once at a family gathering, and my father said to me, "Jay, how did you get so fat?" It was of course a quiet lull in conversation. My father was elderly and didn't have all his marbles at the time. What could I do? I just said, "The same way you did, Dad, I ate too much." And then the conversation moved on.

I was appalled, but there was no point in attacking him back.

With people who are just being rude, however... :club:


03-07-2008, 09:22 AM
I'm a Mom of 12 year old daughter, so I have quite a bit of exposure to kids of this age. You did the right thing by just walking away. You never know what environment these children have been raised in. Some of these children are being raised with zero respect for anyone. You can't shame them as they have no shame. And, you never know what situation you would be creating by getting involved in a verbal confrontation with children. The area I moved from in Florida was being overun by gangs....of middle schoolers as well as high schoolers! Once you get on their bad side, you never know what will happen to your car or your home....or, your family. Also, some of their parents thrive on drama and causing a scene. And, once the situation begins, it is very difficult to diffuse it.

These children don't know you and they really don't matter in your life. Be proud of who you are and move on.

03-07-2008, 09:25 AM
i agree with everything said to this point and have one thing to add... why does this child think it is okay to speak to an adult that way?? when i was 11 or 12 i wouldn't have dreamed of saying something rude to an adult for fear that my parents would find out! children today are another breed because of the way parenting styles have changed. i work with families and their children everyday and i am amazed at the way the parents let their children act and the things they let them say. my daughter is in for it because my husband and i will not put up with the behavior that others do. i was spanked as a child, i was disciplined, i was taught to be respectful and kind to others, my parents made me learn from my mistakes and that is what my daughter has in her future. *sorry, one of my "peeves" is the way some parents allow their children to think that they are the center of the universe and everybody else is here to make their life easier*

03-07-2008, 09:31 AM
I probably would have said something. If this kid's parents aren't teaching them how to properly treat others, then they are getting away with their actions in public and private.

I was bowling one time and this young girl, maybe 8-9 came up and was watching me. She said to me "You're a pig". I was shocked - then I just said "Get lost" and stared at her until she left. I was totally flabbergasted. I don't care if someone thinks that is mean, there is no excuse for that kind of behavior.

I tried my hardest not to be mortified, it's very difficult not to let direct comments affect you.

03-07-2008, 10:03 AM
Well. these are children who have not been raised with any kind of manners,if they are that crude and rude but think what a horrible example their parents must be. I imagine they sit around the dinner table making insulting remarks about neighbors,etc.

03-07-2008, 10:32 AM
I would be too shocked to say anything. I always think of something good to say after the fact though. I'm sorry this happened to you. It's kind of sad that some children's self esteems are so low that they have to resort to insulting total strangers. But don't let it get you down or angry. They're not worth it.

03-07-2008, 10:41 AM
While I never actually had a kid say anything about my weight... I did have a kid make fun of me once because of my nose. "You're ugly and you have such a big nose." To be honest, I never thought I had a big nose until he said that... and then a friend mentioned it... and now I am paranoid about my nose. It's sad how people's comments, even the comments of young children, can get under your skin and hurt really bad. To this day I have a certain dislike of my nose, and I truly think if someone hadn't pointed it out, I may have honestly never noticed my nose is big. Oh well... you did the right thing by ignoring the kid though. Someday, it will come back to her... and she'll see how much it hurts.

03-07-2008, 11:05 AM
I'm sorry you had to deal with that. I've had a kid tell my stepson his mom his fat to his face and loud enough for me to hear it. I just let it roll off my back. I know some people in life feel the need to bring people down to make them feel better about themselves. I try not to stoop to their level and I instead pity them.

I always think of the comeback "I may be fat but you're ugly and I can lose weight." :) Not that I would say it but I would think it and you know what, you're not always going to be obese. Once you get all this weight off you're going to be a wonderful person and that little girl is still going to be insecure about herself.

cephalopod gal
03-07-2008, 11:09 AM
Oh lordy.

At my university, there are always little teenyboppers here running all over the place with their fireld trips. Why they have field trips here, I'm not sure because it's not a particularly interesting place. But I digress.

Whenever I find this children running amok and being extremely rude (commenting on how people in the same freakin vicinity look/what they are doing that is so 'weird') in the library, or anywhere else where people are studying, I always go up to them and quietly say, "Hey, sweetie," (for some reason they give me the death stare when I call them sweetie-- maybe they find it demeaning? I don't know), "there are people around here that are trying to get their sh*t done. You should have more respect, and maybe one day you'll understand when you're studying for college." Usually I just get a completely shocked look and they say "...ok.... sorry." But it fixes the problem.

Before you all think I'm some sort of heinous psycho, I only say that after they've been warned multiple times by others. But man do they shut up. Or leave. Whatever. Hahaha.

03-07-2008, 11:16 AM
I totally understand and sadly have to say been there done that. Many many years ago, while walking home one day these bunch of kids playing on the street yelled 'fatty' to me. I was shocked, sad and almost in tears cuz it was painful. I was only a teenager and I wasn't even that overweight back then. But it hurt a lot and to make matters worse when I told my mom instead of hugging me she said 'see that's why I keep telling you to lose weight.' It was too much for me back then. I stopped walking past that street for fear of being called names again. It was not easy.
And I just finished writing on my blog this morning how my SIL is turning into this monster after she lost all the weight and humiliating me in her own way. So the world is full of cruel people and you cannot change everyone but yourself. You did the right thing by walking away cuz there's not much you could have done with those kids. It's a shame though they acted that way.

03-07-2008, 05:14 PM
I'm sorry! Kids can be very cruel. I am not so sure I would say anything either.

I was fortunate enough (or maybe not??) that I was not picked on during school. I was always popular. I didn't experience the pain of being picked on until I got older...and bigger. One time, my best friends son, who was maybe 6 at the time, asked me very loudly in the middle of a big mall why I was so fat. I was mortified. It's almost as if the world won't notice you are fat if it is not talked about or something. I then had to explain to him why I was fat. Two girls slightly younger than me...maybe 18 or 19 were standing by cracking up. So that was hard. I don't blame the boy at all. I know why he asked and it was because his father is a vegan and tells his children that meat makes people fat.

I also remember a time at the mall....again...with the same friend. I think some little girl or boy said something about me. I didn't quite catch what he/she said and actually didn't even notice the kids until my friend turned around abruptly and was telling them how inappropriate they were behaving and his/her mother would be ashamed. She never did tell me what they said. Had I heard the kid, I don't think I would have the guts to say something back. It's almost more embarrassing to acknowledge the comment.

Anyway, I am very sorry those rude little brats said that to you. No one deserves to be disrespected and I actually feel more sorry for them. They are the pigs for acting that way. :hug:

03-07-2008, 08:54 PM
Oh this stuff gets under my skin.

About 3 years ago, when I was a size 13 juniors, I bought this cute little skirt (it hit me maybe 2 inches above the knee) and top. I was chunky, sure, but I didn't think I was large enough to warrant heckling... Well, my friend and I were at the mall and I had on my new outfit. This girl who weighed about 100 pounds more than me walks by with her friends, looks at me, and says very loudly " She knows she is too big to be wearing that skirt"...They all got a good laugh...I went promptly to the bathroom and cried. That's how I dealt with it LOL...It hurt my feelings so much that someone who KNOWS what it is like to be obese would single me out like that. I know in retrospect it was most likely her own insecurities about her own body...But it's just one of those things I'll never forget. And I haven't worn a skirt since LOL.

Sorry this happened to you...It's a terrible feeling.

03-07-2008, 09:19 PM
I actually had one of those experiences today. I work in a middle-high school as an aid and get along really well with most of the kids. A group of 10th/11th grade boys that I didn't know were sitting on benches in the loby today when I walked by. I had to go into the office which was right in front of them. As I opened the door I heard one of them whistle, I ignored it, but they did it again, so I turned and looked at them. When I did, they all started laughing and saying "yeah right." I peeked down the hall and there was no one else around. I was hurt more then anything and really wanted to yell at them. I have a hard time ignoring things like that, but I know I have to. I just think to myself how much better I look and feel then I did before.

03-08-2008, 02:38 AM
I think you did the right thing because like you said, it wouldn't have made a difference to say anything. They are just ignorant and don't realize that their bodies will change as they get older and they may find themselves overweight. I would have probably done the same as you, well either that or cursed them out...lol. Depends on my mood for the day :D

03-08-2008, 12:48 PM
I'm so sorry this happened to you :( However, I'm not entirely sure at 10-11 that they do know better, if they come from a household that acts that way... then thats their norm. Who is there to teach them better? I think you did the right thing by walking away. One comment from a stranger isn't going to change 10 years of experience. Is it right? Nope, definitely not. All you can do is teach tolerance and appropriate behavior to your own children and THAT makes the difference.

A comeback that comes to my mind when I hear about these situations is "obviously! Way to point out the obvious" Among other rude things.. its like people want a gold star for pointing out the obvious.


03-08-2008, 12:50 PM
Well, they were two brats who clearly weren't raised with any manners. I'm sorry it happened, and you did the right thing by walking away.

I was teased constantly in elementary school. I wasn't overweight at all--in fact I was probably underweight--but I was not coordinated and wore glasses. I don't think one ever really gets past childhood teasing.

better health3
03-08-2008, 03:40 PM
It just depends on my mood. Most of the time I don't say anything....why bother??? It's not like you are going to change their minds. Sometimes, I have responded with, "Thank you for caring about my health."

03-09-2008, 01:38 AM
Walking away is probably the best thing, but I'm sure if you had scolded them for being rude, they would have shut up. Most people who are being nasty like that shut up when they are challenged.

I use a great line with adults, usually shocks them into shutting up. I give them an extremely sexy smile and move my body suggestively (not over the top just enough) and I say "Hey, don't knock it till you've tried it.." - Then I turn and let those curves work it as I walk away. I've done this in bars with drunk jerks, snotty girls out shopping, etc and it always makes me feel good.

And I guess that's the important thing - to keep feeling good!

03-09-2008, 11:58 AM
Haha, wyoming, that's fabulous - especially because a lot of the ******* guys at bars feel the need to make comments because they DO think you're sexy and they're freaked out by it. Beautiful.

Mixie Molloy
03-09-2008, 01:02 PM
First- Those kids were little brats! I would have totally said something like " look sweetheart two monkeys right here in our neighborhood".. Of course In reality you can't say that to a 10 year old.

I had a guy just the other day come up to my car at the gas station and ask him for money, when I told him no and he kept comming I asked him not to touch my car...he replied with a slew of cus words and then said I "whatever you fat(bleep)".

I Inturned was so angry and hurt I responded " whatever you homless drunk". I am ashamed I would say that to anyone... I just couldn't control how I felt, when he called me the F word (fat)

03-09-2008, 07:04 PM
I also had a similiar situation... :( I received horrible messages about beeing overweight, from ppl that I thought were my friends. I never found out the exact person but I knew it was from that group. I dont understand, when I have childreen I will make sure that they do not judge anyone or make fun of just because.

03-09-2008, 07:39 PM
Haha, wyoming, that's fabulous - especially because a lot of the ******* guys at bars feel the need to make comments because they DO think you're sexy and they're freaked out by it. Beautiful.

You know it girl!

03-09-2008, 07:56 PM
I'm not going to go with the whole "they don't know any better" thing, because if they were old enough to be walking out on their own, they were old enough to know better.

Kids are stupid. Kids are VERY stupid. And they'll often say things to make themselves appear better or cooler to other stupid children. Now, mothers don't jump down my throat, because I was a stupid kid once, too. As were all of us.

I actually think you did the adult thing by ignoring them. Because I would have pointed back and said "Hey it's an ugly horse! Look at the ugly horse! How funny! What an ugly little girl you are! Hilarious!" But... then... again, I'm not very mature. :o

Hahahhaa. I probably would have done the same thing.

03-09-2008, 08:37 PM
I may say something like, "I may be fat, but I am not rude!" Young children are brutally honest, and LOUD... they say what they think without any thought. Teens can just be fresh, maybe saying things under their breath, but knowing that you can hear them, or just staring ,or pointing and laughing...

The way I look at it... "it is what it is!". If I want to change how others see me, I have to do something about it. Thank God that I have learned that beauty is only skin deep, and that there is so much more to people. I am also thankful that my children are sensative to these things,and that I am secure enough in myself not to let these remarks bother me.

Have a great day, everyone! We all need to look at our own biases. Hopefully these experiences will make us more sensative to them. :hug:Bethz

03-09-2008, 08:42 PM
I had some grown men holler at me once in a parking lot. They looked maybe 20 or 22 and were riding past in a truck and shouted at me, "MOOO MOO" and "DO YOU LIKE SEX" and "FAT WHORE." I was about 6 months pregnant (and kinda fat) at the time. I was walking with my husband and I burst out in tears and got mad at him for not "doing something" about it to defend my honor. He said, "what do you want me to do?? Go over and get in a fight with them??" I didn't want that, Matter of fact he was smart not to respond, but boy did it hurt!!

I don't know what's wrong with people.

03-09-2008, 10:20 PM
I'm sorry you had to put up with that. I guess we all have to at certain times. My daughter is 11 and when her and a friend got into a fight, her friend told her that when we went to the beach in the summer, the whales started singing "We Are Family" when they saw me! It hurt my feelings and ticked me off. Plus this girls mom and I have both off and on done weight watchers so you would think she would be more sensitive than that. Oh well, yet another reason for me to drop some pounds...it's bad enough if it's said to me but my daughter should not have to hear it too.

THE Heather
03-09-2008, 11:11 PM
I've been lucky enough to deal with absolutely morons when it comes to getting insults. The last real blatant insult to my face I got was last year at a concert...I was laying on the ground because it's hot out and I was trying to cool down under a tree. Two guys who looked to be about 17....walked by. One said, "Look at the beached whale!" and then his friend added "mooooo". I'm usually passive about these things, but in this instant I just simply said, "I may be fat, but you can't cure stupid. Whale's don't moo dumb@$$."

I know that sometimes having something else to say to them fuels their fire, but in that instance, they were immediately shut up.

03-11-2008, 06:35 PM
That is what we all wish we could do. Give it right back!

I would like to say that people become more sensitive with age (and weight) but some people never outgrow their immature and stupid ways. Unfortunately, the rest of us have to suffer with that.

I have no other retort to add. I have been the end of the worst possible putdowns. One of the worse was when this alcoholic neighbor guy of my parents came over when I was visiting my parents. He was always obnoxious but this particular night I sat down in one of my parents' lawn chairs and it broke! He roared!! Later, he said, "Let's go out to eat! I am willing to pay just to see you eat!"

Needless to say, karma smacked him a good one! He married someone (with my same name??) and she left him within a few months. I wonder how much crow he is eating now???

As for me, I have a loving and sweet husband.... "living (and loving) well is the best revenge....."

03-11-2008, 11:39 PM
I think they should know better, but that said, walking away was the right thing..

I just simply said, "I may be fat, but you can't cure stupid. Whale's don't moo dumb@$$."

haha..I just had to say that brought a smile to my face. Hilarious :lol: See, I wish I could be that clever on the spot. Id probably just throw a string of curse words out.

Which I have done over the years, Im sure. I've had to deal with insults all growing up. I had the unfortuante role of being tallest girl and the biggest girl every single year..add to the fact that I wasnt very popular, and yah, a nightmare. I remember one boy following me home going "boom, boom, boom" with each step I took. I cant really remember how old I was, but I sure remember him.

03-13-2008, 05:10 PM
This thread came to mind last night when my bf and I were out to dinner with his niece and his parents. Out of no where our niece asks my bf why his cheeks are red - I answered, mostly because I put something on his skin that he had an allergic reaction to, causing his skin to get super red. And then she said "is that why you have things all over your face".. this was referring to the fact that he's dealing with some really bad adult acne. I would have been insulted, he won't talk about it, but of course it bothers him. She's 9 almost 10, and she doesn't know better. I don't think it's fair to assume that a 10 year old would know better about weight unless it's something their parents told them.

03-13-2008, 05:19 PM
SwimGirl, I know you're right, some kids that age don't know better, but by 9YO they should. I've got a 9YO and 11YO and believe me they know better than to make a comment about somebody's appearance, unless they plan on giving a compliment. I don't think either one of them would ever say something hurtful, but of course, how can we know everything they do when we're not around. but if they ever did something like that in my presence, believe me, they would regret it.

03-13-2008, 06:25 PM
I can't say I've ever had people get in my face and say something blatantly MOO related! maybe cuz i'm tall and they think I'd CLOCK them in the head hehehehe But I'm all about the humour, I'd say something wiseass I'm sure -- My favourite being WHALES DON'T MOO, DUMBA$$ hhahaha classic!

03-13-2008, 06:48 PM
Wow. Im sorry you had to deal with that. It's really hard to shake that from your mind.

I would have done the same thing you did, but it would be great to do something they would remember. Girls that age are trying so hard to fit in and be cool. They know what they said was mean, but I dont think they realize the effect it can have on someone. It would be pretty easy to embarass them into not doing that again. That said, I know I would have been too shocked to say anything at the time.

betty grrl
03-13-2008, 08:05 PM
Oh I could write a book on this subject! I work in Home Care (as a Nurses aide), and trust me the amount of elderly people I care for...some are 1x only they can sure make a girl feel down. Whether it's an under their breathe comment like "look at that tukas" are tapping my bottom and smiling. I've actually had a lady pray for me in another language (I wouldn't have known but the son told me why she was praying).

About the kids...I was walking to work once (the place I had to go to wasn't too far). And these little kids yelled out their window Hey you fatso! Well, inside of feeling like sh#t I went to the house and rang the doorbell. No one answered but those kids looked scared (I could see them hiding through the front window)!! I said in a loud voice so I knew they would hear me 'i'll be back later when your parents are home". I didn't go to their house later on. I think I really did scare them because they sure didn't say anything like that to me again!!!

03-13-2008, 11:20 PM
I probably would have said " I'm sorry that you have very low self-esteem about yourself, because it is a proven fact that people who feel the need to put others down, do not feel good about themselves. I really do think that is true. I can understand your hurt and anger over it but try to look at it that way.

03-13-2008, 11:42 PM
depending on what end of the bipolar pendulum i was swinging on that day.......well i don't know, i might be sitting in jail.......i'm joking of course....kinda. :p

sorry that happened to you but try to turn the hurt and anger into something good. use it as fuel to fire up your weight loss plan. :)

03-13-2008, 11:57 PM
I don't blame the boy at all. I know why he asked and it was because his father is a vegan and tells his children that meat makes people fat.

Not all vegans are that way, I assure you! It's not a vegan sentiment, by the way, it's an ignorant one.

I'm vegan and fat (I've been vegan for many many years too, it's not a new development) and my DH is vegan too (he's in great shape). That man is just ignorant and misinformed! No one thing "makes" people fat, as we all know.

03-14-2008, 02:27 AM
SoulBliss - Yes, I do know all vegans do not believe that. I would agree that he is an ignorant vegan. :D I wanted to make a point that children sometimes say things that can be hurtful because of what their parents have taught them. I don't think he would have questioned my weight had his father not been obsessed with being fat himself. I feel very sorry for the kids. They are actually dealing with an issue with their youngest daughter (4) not wanting to eat....at all. He has been talking about certain foods making people fat her whole life and I wouldn't doubt that is the reason she doesn't want to eat anything. Anyway, that is a whole long story for another time. :dizzy:

"I may be fat, but you can't cure stupid. Whale's don't moo dumb@$$." :lol3: Classic! They set it up perfectly for you!