Weight Loss Support - Are french fries really that evil occasionally?




horsey
03-06-2008, 01:09 PM
Are french fries that evil? On my trip last week I ordered small french fries with my burger without bun and diet coke (I know, I know, what do I think that if I order diet coke I can have fries)... I haven't eaten fries in a long time, they tasted SO, SO good.

In my 20s I used to be able to eat double burgers, xl fries, well, anything I wanted and still be thin. I KNOW those days are over as I'm having to calorie count to lose weight and get thin again.

IF I start to EAT again like the last time I lost weight, I'll gain again. I'm not in maintenance mode yet.... but I'm just wondering how evil those fries are, they gave me energy while I was traveling and working hard. I was exercising and I lost a lb that week.

I'm wondering how obsessive I've become. And I'm just thinking every now and then I can enjoy something, like a few fries, or a small portion, perhaps I'll put fries on my once a month list, only when traveling as a "treat"...


mandalinn82
03-06-2008, 01:16 PM
Are fries once a month going to kill you? No. And I do believe anything can be fit into your plan if the calories work. But I wouldn't make them a regular choice, since there are so many nutrients you could be getting in that many calories of real food that you aren't going to get in deep fried potato.

After about 2 months of eating more healthfully, I had some Wendys fries, and they made me really sick. Now I never eat fast food fries, though I will have a few once every month or so at a restaurant.

peachcake
03-06-2008, 01:22 PM
I think as long as you can control it, it's not such a bad thing. For me, if I ate those fries I would go in and get two double cheeseburgers and a chocolate milkshake to go along with it. I think if you are very careful it's okay. I am a sucker for pizza, so I allow myself a dinner out once a week and occassionally I have pizza. This week I'm having Red Lobster. I basically give myself one meal a week that is my "treat" but I can only have that if I have been good all week.


Just Deb
03-06-2008, 01:27 PM
I love fries, but I make oven fries and they are actually much better than fast food. Cut your potato into "fries", spray baking sheet with cooking spray, lightly spray potato with cooking spray and season. Bake for about 40 minutes at 400. Yum!! Green beans are great this way too.

PJS145
03-06-2008, 01:30 PM
I was just going to post, too, about the oven fries!!! They're awesome-I have them about once a week with a lean piece of steak. Really worth giving it a try-fast food fries make me sick, too.........

tomandkara
03-06-2008, 01:33 PM
And asparagus and brussel sprouts and eggplant and cauliflower...(I am a huge fan of roasted vegetables!)

Like everyone else has said, the calories won't kill your plan as long as you work them into your daily total. I mean, you could eat 1600 calories of M&Ms a day and lose weight, but you wouldn't be very healthy doing it that way, if you know what I mean.

It's all about choices and what you choose to put into your body. I have this huge stomach-turning reaction to fast food (but have no trouble throwing ice cream, chocolate, brownies, cookies, etc. down the gullet). We all have our vices. You have to do what works for you, keeping in mind that you are ultimately accountable to what goes in your mouth.

Kara

zenor77
03-06-2008, 01:34 PM
If it's an occasional treat I don't think it's a problem. I'd try to find out what kind of oil the restaurant fries in though. Trans fats aren't good for your body.

When ever we travel and are near an In-N-Out we stop. I usually get a grilled cheese and either fries or a shake. Sometimes DH and I will get one of each and share. YUM! I know that In-N-Out fries in canola oil, so I don't worry about the extra fat too much. It's not an every day thing.

hardatwork
03-06-2008, 01:39 PM
This week I'm having Red Lobster. I basically give myself one meal a week that is my "treat" but I can only have that if I have been good all week.


Yummy! I have been wanting some Red Lobster! :tantrum:

mandalinn82
03-06-2008, 01:44 PM
Zenor - I totally forgot about my "In-N-Out Exception" - I always get a burger and fries when making the 8 hr drive from northern CA to southern CA to see my partner's family. There is one particular one we stop at, and we do it every time. This is maybe twice a year, and really the only time I eat fast food now.

Glory87
03-06-2008, 01:48 PM
I haven't eaten fries in a long time, they tasted SO, SO good.

Okay - that's the reason I avoid them, they are a binge/trigger food for me. Fast food is a very slippery slope for me, I used to eat wayyy too much. McDonalds french fries are like crack to me, even worse than Girl Scout Thin Mint cookies.

I don't think fast food french fries are "evil" (the only food I really think is evil is sugary soda, oh and fennel, that stuff is disgusting) but I think it's definitely unhealthy enough for me to avoid. I'll stick to homemade fries!

Hat Trick
03-06-2008, 02:12 PM
I'm wondering how obsessive I've become. And I'm just thinking every now and then I can enjoy something, like a few fries, or a small portion, perhaps I'll put fries on my once a month list, only when traveling as a "treat"...

By all means, an occasional treat will not ruin all your hard work. Let's face it, food is tasty and we are humans who like tasty things. What would your mindset be like if you could never, ever have fries again? You'd probably start craving them all the time. And when you finally 'gave in' you'd likely gorge yourself into oblivion because you wouldn't know when you'd get them again. And don't even get me started on the whole 'eating forbidden food' guilt trip you'd be on. :D

Moderation, moderation, moderation. Plan your work and work your plan and all that jazz.

And asparagus and brussel sprouts and eggplant and cauliflower...(I am a huge fan of roasted vegetables!)

Oooo, roasted carrots as so, so, so good. And little red bliss spuds. A little EVOO, salt, pepper, garlic and onions powders and some crushed rosemary -- fantastic.

Like everyone else has said, the calories won't kill your plan as long as you work them into your daily total. I mean, you could eat 1600 calories of M&Ms a day and lose weight, but you wouldn't be very healthy doing it that way, if you know what I mean.

Abosolutely!


. . .the only food I really think is evil is fennel, that stuff is disgusting

:lol::lol:

tomandkara
03-06-2008, 02:15 PM
oh and fennel, that stuff is disgusting

I don't care for fennel either, and don't get me started on celery!

Kara

nelie
03-06-2008, 02:18 PM
Maybe I'm the only one that doesn't like In N Out, I never cared for them although it is nice that they offer grilled onions for their burgers.

As for fries, I don't really eat fried foods for a couple reasons. One because they are high in calories and also because I have gall stones and fatty foods can activate them. I had fries a couple months back and they just didn't taste good. Today I went out to eat and the standard side for the place we went to is fries. I had a salad instead. I had thought about the calories for the fries and if I really wanted them, I could've fit them into my plan but I went with a higher calorie 'burger' (veggie with guacamole) instead.

If you miss fries, I too suggest making oven fries.

JayEll
03-06-2008, 02:21 PM
OK... let's get real... :chin:

McDonalds SMALL french fries:
250 cals, 120 fat cals, 30 grams carb, 2 grams protein.

Wendy's SMALL french fries:
340 cals, 140 fat cals, 45 grams carb, 4 grams protein.

Burger King SMALL french fries:
230 cals, fat cals not given, but 13 g. fat, 18 grams carb, 2 grams protein

These are the SMALL, in case you didn't get that. That's about 3 ounces or less of food. :yikes:

I once stopped at a fast food place on a trip--for a snack--and got a diet cola and a small french fries. I thought this was OK. And then later I found out that that was as many calories as I usually ate for LUNCH! And half an hour later, my stomach was empty again!

So, it's your body. If you think you can get away with fast food fries, you can plan around the calories, etc. then good! I just think there are way, way better things I can eat for that many calories...

Jay

rockinrobin
03-06-2008, 02:23 PM
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE roasted veggies. Roasted green beans, IMO are way better then fries. At least from what I can remember. I don't want to try them anytime soon to find out, that's for sure. ;)

And fennel IS disgusting. IMO of course.

Heather
03-06-2008, 02:30 PM
I love fennel -- and fennel seeds sprinkled on a salad are really nice!!!

I've started making sweet potato "fries" instead of the other kind. Course they're baked, not fried! I know Robin loves 'em too!

horsey
03-06-2008, 02:34 PM
I had the small McDonald's fries, I looked at their chart, McDonald's is publishing their numbers, even on the boxes with their hamburgers and I wonder WHY? I mean the quarter pounder, fries and drink totaled almost as much as I was cutting my calories back to for a few months to rev up weight loss. So.... 250 calories of FAT is what I ate.

Yes fast food is a TRIGGER for me too if you want to call it that. I wrote a list from some books like Eat This Not That of what exactly I could have where on my business trip last week. Fries was NOT on my list. The quarter pounder was questionable too, I just WANTED a big burger.

Can you imagine all the junk food I used to eat, and that I'm feeling so GUILTY over a one time incident of french fries? I read about Paris Hilton (what a yukky example but...) she'll order fries and will just eat a few - sort of like French Women, they'll enjoy bits and pieces here and there.

I was going to STOP at a few - and I'll admit I've snuck a FEW of my little boy's fries now and then (I rarely let him eat them either, nice that McD and Wendy's have apples or oranges instead of fries) and stopped. But this time I ate and ate... The old me would have ordered a large sized french fries though.

At least it's on my list of ONCE A MONTH if that, and YES I'll try to figure out how to cook my own, for my boy too. As an occassional treat.

Fast food item I can't give up - burgers, but I'm down to one every week or two! And I at least take off half of the bun if not the entire bun. And I usually have a salad.

I don't know what's happening to me, since eating more CLEAN I don't crave much the fries and junk, this time I did, I was tired. So the trigger is fries and being tired - comfort food. On my trips I'll bring soups, for comfort.

horsey
03-06-2008, 02:35 PM
I bought sweet potatoes to try a fry recipe a few weeks ago, I don't know... I tried a baked sweet potato at a restaurant and yuck. Is it a taste that's developed? Like my green tea latte's? I swapped them for the mocha ones at Starbucks and now I love them, at first I didn't...

horsey
03-06-2008, 02:36 PM
Jay, what do you think SMALL means? I wonder if my fries were really small? Seemed to be about double of what should have fit in that little fry packet, I betcha I ate 300+ calories of fries and FAT at McDonalds...

rockinrobin
03-06-2008, 02:47 PM
Jay, what do you think SMALL means? I wonder if my fries were really small? Seemed to be about double of what should have fit in that little fry packet, I betcha I ate 300+ calories of fries and FAT at McDonalds...

Horsey, what's done is done. Eating them is certainly no crime and you are not a criminal. Next time, you just might want to reconsider. Use it as a learning experience - learn from it - and move on. No need whatsoever to beat yourself up over it.

As for the sweet potato fries that Heather mentions, YUMM.... I DO love them. For me, it wasn't an acquired taste at all. I think they are incredibly delicious. I hit of cooking spray, a little salt, some cayenne pepper, cumin, garlic and onion powder. Fabulous.

jillnicole03
03-06-2008, 03:01 PM
Have you ever tried Sweet potato fries? MMmmm soo good! I cut up a sweet potato in thin slices use pam cooking spray for the pan and season them before I put them in! Definitley worth a try! SOO MUCH BETTER THAN REGUALAR FRIES and healthier!!! Mmmm

junebug41
03-06-2008, 03:06 PM
I'm another fan of sweet potato home fries... just had some for lunch! I can't seem to get them crispy, though. Am I baking them wrong?

Glory87
03-06-2008, 03:10 PM
Bake them and then stick them under the broiler (BRIEFLY)!

Cassie501107
03-06-2008, 03:25 PM
I'm now a firm believer in "everything in moderation"...fries included.;)

trekkiegirl
03-06-2008, 03:48 PM
I like French Fries, too. Only difference now is we make them at home maybe once or a twice a month whereas I used to make frequent trips to McDonald's.
I think one of the "traps" about French Fries is that most people eat them in the context of a fast food restaurant (as opposed to making them or buying Ore-Ida, where at least you have more control over either the ingredients or portion size) and in that context, they're also eating other stuff like cheeseburgers, etc. I know I did not grow by French Fries alone. :p
Let's just say my French Fry behemoth has turned into a dwarf since I stopped going into McDonald's. ;)

junebug41
03-06-2008, 05:21 PM
Thanks, Glory! I'm terrible at watching the oven, but I will give it a go.

horsey
03-06-2008, 05:43 PM
Yes you are right, I'm not a criminal for eating fries. Perhaps I'm going over the edge in my new "health kick", becoming like my mother who I took to the movies once - tried to share popcorn with her and she was horrified at the butter soaked stuff - "will it kill me?" she asked. I've been eating so clean that I'm thinking the junk is going to ruin my efforts, I don't know. I know I feel good, and energetic, and more positive - and that fat girl pigging out at fast food restaurants, emotionally eating is behind me.

sidhe
03-06-2008, 06:59 PM
If you like roasted veggies, try parsnips! Prepare the same way you'd prepare carrots. Mmmmmmm, they're my favorite roasted veggie ever. :)

Horsey: No, french fries occasionally are not "bad". You're an adult, you make decisions based on what you want for your life and your body. If they work for you, great. If they don't, great! :lol:

gailr42
03-06-2008, 10:49 PM
Love fennel, love celery. Love roasted veggies.

Tonight, as it happens, I tried the baked "fries". I thought they were pretty darned good. My DH thinks they need more oil. I can toss his with more oil.

Shy Moment
03-07-2008, 12:03 AM
There is nothing evil if it fits into what we allow ourself for the day. Some tell me my " mountain dew" is evil. If I have enough carbs left over after eating the required amounts of the four basic food groups in a day. I can use those left over carbs for a mountain dew. Nothing evil about that. We are not on this journey to do without all the things we love. We are on this journey to become a more healthy, thinner person. There is no reason not to enjoy all the things we love along the way. We just have to do things within proper portions and with a little self control.

JayEll
03-07-2008, 07:20 AM
We just have to do things within proper portions and with a little self control.

And that is why some foods are better off left alone until one has a few months of weight loss under their belt (so to speak)! ;)

Often people who are overweight or obese have not had a sense of proper portions or much self control. These have to be learned, and it takes time. Meanwhile, those old food habits aren't gone, they are just waiting for an opportunity. Just my experience... :dunno:

Jay

Shy Moment
03-07-2008, 07:25 AM
jay
You are so very right. There are a couple of things that I just want to eat more than I should. I generaly don't eat them at all.

sharonrr1
03-07-2008, 07:32 AM
LOVE, LOVE, LOVE roasted veggies. Roasted green beans, IMO are way better then fries. At least from what I can remember. I don't want to try them anytime soon to find out, that's for sure. ;)



I totally agree. If you would put a bucket of fries in front of me and one small serving of roasted green beans, cauliflower, broccoli, asparagus, zucchini. I'd look at you like you were mad and eat all the veggies and throw away the fries. But of course I would prefer a large serving. I usually have 3 servings of my veggie with every time I eat.

Rhighlan86
03-07-2008, 08:07 AM
I definately think that they are ok occassionally. Personally, the way I feel is if you completely say I can't have that then I'm going to want that more than ever, so I leave everything open. However, I would probably suggest making your own fries if you are having a craving because you can control the portion, the salt, and the greast (since they are baked none). That way you will feel better about the choice of french fries and they are also healthier

horsey
03-07-2008, 11:42 AM
Jay I think you are right, that it's best to wipe out junk food while learning about portions - if one is clueless, and I WAS. Some of the diet books have wisdom on this, where "after" weight is lost one is able to add in a few calculated treats here and there - I've got to reread my Superfoods Diet book again because he has a fair system for this. I have lost weight, and I'm feeling good but I fear I'll do what I did LAST TIME, gain it all back! It doesn't take that many months of eating fast food, pizza, beer etc to gain some weight back I KNOW THAT already. Personally I think I need to stick with my plan, my goals and hold off on the french fries - other then stealing a few from my boy here and there, and savoring every bite. Once I reach my goals then I'm going to have to have a plan for how to introduce some treats - like Coldstone ice cream very rarely, french fries, etc without blowing it.

nelie
03-07-2008, 11:52 AM
Once I reach my goals then I'm going to have to have a plan for how to introduce some treats - like Coldstone ice cream very rarely, french fries, etc without blowing it.

Well I think we all have our own plans and our trade offs but there are certain things I'd say I'd never touch again. Mostly because they have no place in my life.

One thing I highly suggest is looking for alternatives and things that provide similar tastes rather than relying on the old stand bys that may have helped propel your weight gain in the first place.

Coldstone ice cream is probably one I'd say would be easily replaced by other, better alternatives rather than incorporating it back into your life. One thing to remember is that when you cut junk out, your taste buds tend to change and something you enjoyed years ago, may not taste very good any more. It has happened with a lot of things with me. Of course we all do make our own trade offs and figure out how to maintain our weight losses so you may decide to add it back in later on.

rockinrobin
03-07-2008, 02:12 PM
I totally agree. If you would put a bucket of fries in front of me and one small serving of roasted green beans, cauliflower, broccoli, asparagus, zucchini. I'd look at you like you were mad and eat all the veggies and throw away the fries. But of course I would prefer a large serving. I usually have 3 servings of my veggie with every time I eat.


That's one of the great things about veggies. You can get so much volume for not tons of calories. All while getting nutrition. You really get the most bang for your buck with them.

:carrot::carrot::broc::broc::carrot::carrot:

BlzMaxGnrCCJkMly
03-07-2008, 02:29 PM
anything in MODERATION is ok! when it becomes more than that then its a problem

gailr42
03-07-2008, 04:47 PM
I don't like Baskin and Robbins or Coldstone very much, but I do love Ben and Jerry's. I happened across a couple of reduced fat versions of B and J. It was good and I ate too much, so what I am wishing is that they had their little individual servings in the low-fat, but so far I haven't seen it. The pint container just looks too much like a single serving to me.:lol: I only got it once because I couldn't control myself.

WebRover
03-07-2008, 07:27 PM
I mean, you could eat 1600 calories of M&Ms a day and lose weight, but you wouldn't be very healthy doing it that way, if you know what I mean.

Kara

And you would certainly be HUNGRY for 23 1/2 hours of that day. ;)

PaulaM
03-08-2008, 12:06 AM
One thing that has helped me avoid fries, much more than the grease and the calories, is I read in several different places something about when they keep reheating oil that it builds up a cancer causing agent in it, don't remember the details exactly, but that pretty much turned me off the whole thing right there.


here it is: Based on the findings, American Dietetic Association spokeswoman Jeannie Moloo said that "if a person is concerned about the health aspects of HNE, then my recommendations would be to never heat any oil to the point of smoking and, as far as cooking at home goes, just use the oil one time. And avoid eating fried foods in restaurants."

They said vegetable oils are the worst of all for this