Weight Loss Support - 8th day, need a little encouragement




Aldebaran
02-07-2008, 06:31 PM
Hello everyone.

I managed to stay very well under a thousand calories per day, mostly because I'm a very disorganized person and can't do diets, I just eat less, and healthier... thank god for FitDay, otherwise I'd be lost completely... I live with vegetarians/going on vegan, so there's not much meat in our house, if any at all... So 70% of my calories came from carbs, and 12% from protein. I know some people have done marvelously with Atkins, but I just can't see myself dumping all of that ureic acid in my joints, so I'd appreciate some meatless advice :)

I have lost app. 2 lbs of fat in the last week, I am very well aware that the other 4 were water. I stopped loosing a pound a day two days ago.

I have no problems eating little, but then I start reading the fitday adds, stuff like: "why do low calorie diets not work", and I get depressed, thinking that I might be hitting a plateau very soon, and then what...

Anyway, I would like to loose 20 lbs as quickly as possible (my long term goal is 60 lbs), and I wanted to ask all of you nice people how you did it and how much time did it take? I currently weigh around 180 lbs (81 kilos). Thank you for your help in advance.


peachcake
02-07-2008, 06:36 PM
WHOA, ONLY A THOUSAND CALORIES?!?!?!?! That's not enough! I would think your body was going into starvation mode (genrally happens if you go too far under 1200 calories a day). I would try eating more good foods. Maybe your body will realize it's not starving so it won't keep the little bit of food that you give it and it will be willing to shed some pounds...

PhotoChick
02-07-2008, 06:41 PM
I managed to stay very well under a thousand calories per day,
This is NOT HEALTHY. Please rethink this strategy! :)

At the very least you need to maintain 1200 or so calories a day. Any less and you put your body into starvation mode. The reason you stopped losing a pound a day is that your body is starting to realize that you're starving it and it's beginning to hoard any and all food you *do* give it. You'll actually damage your metabolism if you keep this up long term.

A healthy goal is 2-ish lbs per week (at the MOST). So to do it healthily, your 20 lbs should take about 10-12 weeks (about 3 months). Doing it any faster *might* work for the short term and in an extreme circumstance, but it won't be a healthy or maintainable loss.

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mandalinn82
02-07-2008, 06:45 PM
1000 calories is almost certainly not enough, and certainly "well under" it isn't a good idea, as your body won't be able to get enough nutrition from those calories to fuel itself. Dipping to a level that low once in a while won't really be an issue, but consistently being below is setting yourself up to convince your body it is starving, resulting in all kinds of issues, binging and trouble with weight loss as well as malnutrition among them.

What is your daily menu like? Stick here and we'll help you sort this out so you can keep going on losing weight without starving, ok?

jtammy
02-07-2008, 06:48 PM
Hi fatbomb, Keep your chin up! You can lose weight.

It has taken me about 2 and 1/2 years to lose 160 lbs.

I just want to add that you don't need to get so caught up in losing weight as quickly as possible. Just remind yourself that you want it to stay off, and you want to learn new habits that will help you keep it off. A loss of 1 - 2 lbs per week is a very good loss. And a 1000 calories is very very low. What happens when you do plateau? Generally when we plateau, we drop our calories a bit so that we can continue losing. If you start out at such an extremely low level, you don't have anything left to drop it to. There are lots of websites where you can calculate your calorie needs, if you're interested.

Heather
02-07-2008, 07:16 PM
Losing weight is part of the battle. Keeping it off is something else entirely!

I know you want to lose quickly. Everyone does. But many of us tried to lose as fast as possible... we eat very little. It works for a while, but is difficult to maintain, and then, we binge, go off plan and gain all the weight back and then some! Talk about depressing!

What are your long term goals? Why do you need to lose quickly? How quickly is quickly, anyway?

I know I haven't answered your question yet, but I think a lot of those questions help put it in context. I started off weighing nearly 300 pounds and lost 100 pounds in just over a year -- so on average I lost just under 2 pounds a week (more at first). Generally, it's considered healthy (and sustainable) to lose 1/2 to 2 pounds a week, and we tend to lose slower as we get closer to goal...

Michele237
02-07-2008, 07:35 PM
Fatbomb, I agree with everyone above -- you definitely have to eat more calories per day -- check the vegetarian forum to get ideas on adding more protein or calories to your daily menus -- tomorrow is my 8th day as well, and I am hoping I can just take this healthy habits lifestyle day by day, instead of doing my usual of "getting it off as fast as I can" - I have done that my whole adult life, and it just doesn't work - I either get frustrated and quit, or if I do lose weight, I gain it all back and more when I begin to slowly eat regularly again - it's extremely difficult to maintain 1000 calories a day for a lifetime. Good luck to you. Michele :carrot:

beautybooty
02-07-2008, 07:42 PM
you are definitely not eating enough. i know it's hard to eat more than you feel you have to, but you really do have to. on days that i feel that way i make sure to eat at least 1300 calories so as not to be starving myself.

be patient and devoted... it will work. :)

Mousai
02-07-2008, 11:32 PM
the calorie thing is kinda drastic to a degree mind you. yes the ideal minimum for a normal omnivorous diet is 1200 calories, however, you said you live with veg'n people so chances are you eat a lot of veggies? just mentioning to people vegetarians/vegans tend to eat a lower amount of calories cause veggies are low calorie to eat 1200 a day is really hard because the calories go farther.

second, on the plateau issue, when was the last time you changed up your work out routine? sometimes changing things a bit helps. if youve been doing an hour of walking, add in 10-20 minutes of running into it (5 minutes here, 5 there) you dont necessarily have to increase the time spent but try to up the intensity slightly.

try replacing starch carbs like potatoes and wheat for less starchy veggies, or whole wheat items.

changing your routine even slightly (good change that is) can do wonders for getting over a plateau.

baffled111
02-07-2008, 11:39 PM
Vegans can eat legumes which contain plenty of calories, and grains, which also have plenty of calories. It needn't (and shouldn't) be all veggies. A cup of lentils with a cup of rice will be a 400 calorie meal (with 22 grams of protein!). Nuts are vegan, high in calories, high in nutrients and high in good fats. A person eating only vegetables (and thereby keeping their calories very, very low) is not meeting her nutritional needs either. Bodies need fat and protein, as well as vegetables and fiber.


OP, you need to increase your calories, no question. Even if you do live with vegans, you can keep your own cartons of eggs and yogurt in the house, can't you, and eat beans, nuts and other nutrient rich foods? Starvation diets are unhealthy and, ultimately, counter-productive. Please reconsider!!!

PhotoChick
02-08-2008, 02:12 AM
veggies are low calorie to eat 1200 a day is really hard because the calories go farther.
I'm sorry, but that's just not true and dangerous information. I lived with a veggie roommate for 5 years and I know how to properly eat veggie.

Calories do not "go farther" if they're veggie. And a starvation diet is unhealthy, no matter what your chosen lifestyle - omnivorous, veggie, organic, whatever.

At a bare minimum you need 1200-ish calories a day to maintain some kind of reasonable health (most people, with rare few notable exceptions). Veggies can get that from olive oil, nuts, legumes, dairy and eggs if they're not completely Vegan.

It's quite easy to eat 1200 calories a day and LOTS more on a veggie diet.

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Aldebaran
02-08-2008, 08:30 AM
Thank you all for the encouragement. I kind of knew I was setting myself up for disaster, and today it became painfully obvious: in the morning I weighed 2 lbs more then yesterday, although I ate only about 700 calories. I cried and ran to my computer.

I know I have not been eating well, and probably not moving enough either. I do tai chi twice a week, and I practice at home every day for about ten minutes, but I cannot get myself to do some serious workout. I like walking a lot, but can't run yet, until I shed about 20 - 30 lbs, because of my knees.

My menu is consisted mainly of apples, bananas, plain probiotic yoghurt, muesli (non-processed) with raisins, nuts and seeds, which I eat with a tablespoon or two of honey and two cups of green tea (unsweetened). It's like desert to me. I also eat a lot of legumes, yesterday we had bean soup, the day before pasta with lentils... I make myself vegetable broth from cubes and eat it with a small amount of soup balls, and that keeps me satisfied. I also snack on blown up rice and wheat cakes. Sometimes I allow myself a sweet yoghurt as a treat.

I am afraid of what will happen if I increase my intake for 500 calories...

I am not new to weight loss, I've been fat all my life. My all time high was around 250 lbs. I lost about 90 lbs over the period of two years, keeping it up for almost two more. But six months ago I had a terrible fallout with my sister (the closest person to me in the world), so I stayed in my room watching TV and eating, and voila, 22 lbs later I'm a very unhappy girl.
I could feel pretty before, now I'm just a fat blob again... And hating myself big time. That is why I wish to loose those 22 lbs quickly, within a month if possible.

I think I'll go and have some scrambled eggs for breakfast. I usually skipped breakfast, but I guess that's another goof of mine. I really should eat more often.

Mandalinn, thank you for being interested... your story gave me a lot of courage, when I read it.

JayEll
02-08-2008, 08:54 AM
Fatbomb, you need a realistic plan. Look around on this site--go to the Calorie Counters forum and look at the Frequently Asked Questions sticky--and also go to the 3FC main page www.3fatchicks.com and look under the Diets tab so you can compare different programs. If you like having a lot of support, consider Weight Watchers or TOPS, where you have regular meetings.

It is unrealistic to expect to be able to lose 22 pounds in a month. In fact, it is probably unrealistic to be able to lose half that! So my suggestion to you would be to find a plan that you can stick with for the long haul. None of this 700 calories a day business! :nono: That will only slow your metabolism and make things worse.

Good luck! Don't give up! And be patient...

Jay

PhotoChick
02-08-2008, 09:46 AM
I am afraid of what will happen if I increase my intake for 500 calories... If you up your intake 500-ish calories, you will be nourishing your body and maintaining a healthy weight loss so that you don't have freak out days and binge on junk food as you talked about in your first post.

Instead be afraid of what will happen if you DON'T increase your calories - at a steady diet of 700 calories, your body will go into starvation mode. You'll start retaining water and weight. You'll not have enough energy to do what you want to do. You'll either make yourself ill, or make yourself hungry enough to binge again and again and again.

Good luck to you in developing a healthy way of eating so you don't have to keep going through this cycle.

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Aldebaran
02-08-2008, 10:50 AM
Thank you both! Sometime I have very unrealistic plans... that's me! The unrealistic one.

I went to the 3FC main page, and read about the Medifast diet. They promise to make you loose up to 20 lbs in a month, so it is not THAT unrealistic... But since I'm low on money, I cannot afford it. I don't even know whether they operate in Europe...

Does anyone know what the secret to that diet is? Low calories, combinations...? Maybe I could make one for myself.

For breakfast I had two scrambled eggs and a yogurt. That was 320 calories right there. I think I'll make wholewheat pasta with eggplant, zucchini and tomato sauce for lunch. Or I'll just have a bowl of beans...

How do your diets work? I'd be very happy if you shared some personally gained wisdom.

baffled111
02-08-2008, 11:29 AM
Congrats on the healthy breakfast!

The medifast diet is just another very, very low calorie diet. Unless you're going to be supervised by a doctor, it isn't a good idea. Give up the idea of 20lb in a month. You don't need to lose 20 pounds in a month. What's wrong with losing 20 pounds in 2 months? Will you be less happy to say good bye to those pounds if they take 10 weeks to disappear??? Isn't it more important that the 20lb (and the next 40) disappear permanently rather than quickly (and probably are regained right away)??

Look, you have quite a lot of weight to lose and presumably you want to keep it off forever. Your only real option here to take a smart and healthy approach to weight loss. There are a number of plans you can follow that will result in consistent weight loss without compromising your health or your metabolism. Personally, I like calorie counting because it is very flexible and because it encourages an emphasis on healthy eating. But WW or some of those low-carb plans are fine too. Either way, you need to approach your weight loss in a way that emphasizes your body's nutritional needs and which will be sustainable after you've finished losing.

Starvation diets are unhealthy and counterproductive. Really. Eat healthy food in moderate portions, (count calories), take yourself for walks or other exercise. The weight will come off, you will feel healthy and energetic, and you won't be losing your hair.

Heather
02-08-2008, 01:07 PM
I went to the 3FC main page, and read about the Medifast diet. They promise to make you loose up to 20 lbs in a month, so it is not THAT unrealistic...

Careful! In saying you can lose "up to 20 pounds" a month they are saying that's the MOST they would promise anyone could lose, and that would typically be the people who have the most to lose and work the plan perfectly.

I think the secret to weight loss is finding something you can do LONG TERM. It took me just over a year to lose the first 100 pounds I had to lose. Then I lost 20 more much more slowly and am now maintaining this weight loss. What and how I eat now looks very much like what and how I ate as I was losing.

You can absolutely make a plan for yourself -- many of us have. My is calorie counting: eating lots of veggies, fruits and whole grains, trying to keep fats to 25% of my calories and about the same for protein... And exercise!

Sounds like you're eating some yummy foods!!

seranab
02-08-2008, 01:39 PM
Hey fatbomb
I thought I would share some wisdom that I learned from my own experiences and around here on 3fc.
One thing I realised when I came to 3fc is that there is no miracle cure, no magic pill, no quick fixes. It took me 5 years to put on this weight... it will take a while to get it off as well. I learned that I would much prefer to lose 2 pounds a week... and have them STAY OFF PERMENANTLY than be bouncing around for the rest of my life.
I also learned that we don't lose or put on weight because of something we ate yesterday. For example, if you have something fatty yesterday, if you're 4 pound heavier in the morning thats for a variety of reasons (i.e. water weight, food is still in my body ect.ect.) and not because I put on 4 pounds of fat overnight. Its not possible our bodies do not work that way. One of the main things I learnt around here that helped me a lot was understanding what my body was doing with the food, really and truly understanding what the body is doing with the fat I eat and sugars and everything. It was enlightening but it also gave me freedom... I wasn't locked in a prison feeling guilty for enjoying foods.
Sustainable weight loss as everyone will tell you, is a slow and gruelling process but with PATIENCE we can all get where we want to be. No quick fixes, no miracles and especially no magic pills.

Look around the forums, read the stickys, speak to the maintainers and most importantly take the advise that is flying around the boards because even if they're not even regarding your own situation their input and experiences are INVALUABLE!

PhotoChick
02-08-2008, 01:52 PM
I went to the 3FC main page, and read about the Medifast diet. They promise to make you loose up to 20 lbs in a month, so it is not THAT unrealisticIt is completely unrealistic and what's more, unhealthy. If you are very overweight, it is possible to have a large chunk of weight loss at the very beginning - a lot of that will be water weight thought.

Also they don't "promise" you will do anything. What they "promise" is that you "can" ... i.e. it has been done by others. However, Medifast is a product based diet. You buy all your meals from them and a "meal" consists of a single protein bar, or a shake, or a cup of soup. You get one "solid meal" a day, which you also purchase from them. Yes, eating like this with very low calories will promote quick weight loss for some people. And it is used in some medical situations for people who need to lose weight quickly for surgery or serious health reasons.

BUT IT'S NOT A HEALTHY WAY TO LOSE WEIGHT LONG TERM.
And it's not a healthy lifestyle change.

Please please please please take that to heart.

I know you're desperate to lose this weight, but you didn't gain it all in a month. You cannot expect to take it off in a healthy manner in a month either.

There's a lot of great info here ... read through it and take it too heart. You can do this, but you have to let go of the desire to do it NOW NOW NOW.

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midwife
02-08-2008, 01:55 PM
You have received some great advice. I will just add, Welcome to 3FC!! Look around! There are lots of threads where people post their daily menus. I wonder if you might not be experiencing some depression. Certainly I hear your pain through your posts.

Know that you are worth loving. You are worth loving yourself! You are worth healthy food, good nutrition, and enough of it to achieve health. You do not deserve to be starving. Do not beat yourself up about your gain.

This journey is really about learning to properly care for and feed ourselves. What would you want for your best friend? Want that for yourself.

PhotoChick
02-08-2008, 01:58 PM
This is just a random suggestion ... but maybe it will help! :)

Perhaps you can ask if you can change your user id to something more positive for you? Thinking of yourself as a "fatbomb" and referring to yourself like that on the forums has got to keep reinforcing your upsetness and negativity towards where you are now.

I know this may seem silly and like something small and meaningless, but I don't think it is.

Thing of a positive name that reinforces where you want to be - healthy and slim and comfortable in your own body. I think a small change in mental perspective might make this journey a little easier for you!

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Aldebaran
02-09-2008, 12:25 PM
You guys are awesome!

And you are all completely right! I was being utterly unrealistic. And I am depressed... I am trying really hard to think positive, because I saw "The Secret", a movie I most warmly recommend to EVERYONE! It is a documentary about the power of positive thinking, with proof and all! Philosophers, doctors, authors, quantum physicists and other specialists, talking about the same thing, explaining it from every point of view.

Anyway, I have always been a pessimistic little bird, so singing positive tunes is a bit hard for me, but I am sticking with it. If I hadn't, I wouldn't be buzzing around here, I'd be eating something fattylicious while staring at Stargate Atlantis or something.

Thank you all for your invaluable imput, it really made me glad to see that someone actually cares. I understand that I will not loose the fat quickly, but I do realize that it will be quicker than I gained it, so that's something. It took me six months to put the 20 pounds on, so it really isn't so bad if I take them off in two months. I will take it slowly, but surely. Yesterday I consumed 1300 calories, so I really am applying your shared wisdom.

PhotoChick, thank you so much for your clever suggestion. You are right, of course, like I wrote above, I was always pessimistic. But it ends now! I will ask the moderators whether I can change my name to Aldebaran. It is the brightest star in the Taurus constellation, also a very powerful piece by Enya (album The Celts).

I know it's a bit weird and premature, but I am starting to really love you guys. I hope that's not eerie.

chick_in_the_hat
02-09-2008, 12:48 PM
Hey Aldebaran!! :D

We love you, too! :grouphug: It really is like family here! Education, inspriation, commiseration...dunno what I did before 3FC. :carrot:

So glad to hear you are making healthy choices for yourself. Add some exercise to the mix and I bet it helps your mood? Just start with walking...maybe commit to 3 days a week to start with.

You have your whole life ahead of you - patience with getting the weight off. For me the focus is more on learning to maintain the loss for life than getting it off fast. You can do this!! The fact that you are asking such good questions says a lot!

PhotoChick
02-09-2008, 01:24 PM
Awesome! And I love the new choice of name ... it *is* a very positive one!

Glad you're here and becoming a part of the community. I've only been here a short while myself, but I've definitely felt the support and caring of the people here!

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Heather
02-09-2008, 07:12 PM
Hey, that's a great new name!!!!! Now, pm Suzanne 3fc (the #1 chick) and get it done!

TakingBkTheTrumpCard
02-10-2008, 05:51 PM
I like to think of it like this....I am going to be eating better for the rest of my life and after I reach my goal weight, I wont have the positive reinforcement of daily/weekly weight loss to inspire me....So this (not losing every day/week) is just a chance to practice living better reghardless of what the scale says...And yes...THE SECRET is awesome and it has helped me achieve my career dreams...It does work!! Now I am using the principals and applying them to weight loss... Good Luck and Welcome!!

Aldebaran
02-14-2008, 08:16 PM
Wow! I was lost there for a while... I have been eating heathy, but still no more then 1200, because I didn't really feel the need.

I have lost a minimal amount of weight, I'm 178 now, and it has been two weeks, but I can feel the pants I wear are a bit looser.

I am eating more fruit now, I haven't had meat in almost for a week, but I don't miss it. There is some weird ham in the fridge, but I'm not interested.

I was hoping for some faster weight loss, so I'll try slightly increasing the calories, maybe I get some positive response from my body. I have read of several cases like that in the report stories. And I love my new name, thank you guys so much, and especially you TakingBk, because I've been maybe a bit overenthusiastic, and then down, but I did get a promotional probiotic yoghurt on the street while waiting for the bus, and when it came it was a nice one, and I didn't come late as I usually do :). I'm starting to get it, slowly!

JayEll
02-14-2008, 09:25 PM
You go, girl! :cheer2: And I like your new name!

Tell me, are you trying not to eat meat because of ethical concerns, or because you think you have to, to lose weight? If the latter, that's not the case.

If you want to be vegetarian or vegan, that's a personal choice--but please be careful that you do it the right way. You don't want to be running low on protein and other nutrients that usually come from meat or at least animal-based foods. :)

Hang in there!
Jay

Aldebaran
02-16-2008, 04:35 PM
Hello again beauties! What I just found out from my FitDay reports is too wild not to blubber it out here right now:

I noticed that I weighed more in the morning, if I ate less calories the previous day! Yesterday I ate 1615 calories for the first time in two weeks, which is around my basal metabolism needs, and guess what? In the morning i weighed one pound less than the previous day!!! So you guys really were right all along, telling me not to cut my calories to severely!

JayEll, to answer your question: there are no real morals involved, because I do eat meat, and love the taste. I had at a point a brochure in my hands showing what torture animals go through, before they get slaughtered, which did pinch me a little, and I stopped eating meat every day.
But sometimes I buy myself cold cuts, telling myself that it's already in the store and therefore I am not that bad for eating it. I don't think I could kill an animal (to eat) myself though. Unless there were only rocks and I'd be on the verge of dying, I guess (natural selection in that case).

I LIKE meat, but I do not eat it (at the moment) because of several reasons: the ureic acid does quite a bit of damage to the body. How many Atkinsers wake up in the morning without that morbid feeling of heaviness, walk around a minute and are ready to sit on the toilet? Not many, I presume.

On this almost-animal protein-free diet (I eat mayonnaise - a very little bit, I have some milk in my black tea, I have eggs for breakfast every few days) I feel incredibly much better than when I ate more of those. I tell you, EVERY MORNING I wake up, go downstairs to make my morning cup of tea, and before the water even boiled I feel the need for number two. My body is starting to run like clockwork!

And as for my protein intake: I eat legumes every day, have scrambled eggies sometimes, and I am sure that I will be having some meat every now and then, so no worries there. Even in the period of this diet I had some meat, I had a sandwich with turkey. And we really do not need as much meat as is on our usual menus now, do we (muscle mass builders excepted)... I think everybody here knows that.

To sum up: I like meat, but like what my meatless diet is doing to me more, that's all there is to it.

Does anyone know whether studies have shown that people who meet their daily basal metabolism needs are more successful then really restricted dieters? Because my results are beginning to show in that direction!

JayEll
02-16-2008, 05:59 PM
Aldebaran, it sounds like you have good reasons and good results from your more vegetarian approach! Good for you! :cheer2: :broc: :cb: :broc:

And congratulations on the 1-pound drop!

Jay

baffled111
02-16-2008, 08:04 PM
Yesterday I ate 1615 calories for the first time in two weeks, which is around my basal metabolism needs, and guess what? In the morning i weighed one pound less than the previous day!!! So you guys really were right all along, telling me not to cut my calories to severely!


I love it when people say that. :)

Congrats. And keep eating and being healthy!