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ollie27
10-10-2007, 01:59 PM
I'm going out on a limb here and starting a new thread. I love the idea of an Alternachick forum, but as it is a tad slow, I thought maybe I would try a conversation starter. This forum has bios posted, but who has time to read through seven pages of bios? So this thread is for anyone who wants to jump in and talk about themselves about being alternative and maybe how that has affected your lifestyle. If it bombs, hey, I tried my friends.

In other words:

Why do you consider yourself alternative and, if it has, how does this correlate with your previous lifestyle and present change?


My location has a lot to do with me categorizing myself as alternative. I live in Alabama--and have tattoos, a nose ring, radical socialist views, I am an active feminist and a non-believer among many other things that stand out as being different (and dead wrong) in the south. I am sure if my latitude and longitude were different, I wouldn't be so different. Also, the south is known for its obesity problems. There are lots of places I go where I am smaller than many people there. Fried food and sweet tea aplenty. I suppose being overweight is accepted by society as the norm here.



Me surrounding myself within a feminist and slightly hippie (for lack of a better term) community has helped me keep a body positive attitude. I preach "love your body" as a feminist, and at the risk of being trite, a "hippie" community has really great clothes that are carefree and stress free. I have lots of floor lengths skirts, t-shirts, wraps, etc. and have never worried about fitting into my business suit. Make sense? My alternative lifestyle has given me a wonderful "F-you if my body doesn't suit you" attitude, but now I realize that my body doesn't suit me.


What say you?


Lovely
10-10-2007, 03:53 PM
Ha ha ^^ Thanks for posting this ollie - I, too, would like to be more active in this group!

Interesting question!

First, I need to say that I think that being "alternative" to the norm has everything to do with how I think & act and nothing to do with how I dress, where I live, what I look like or how many indie bands I listen to.

Being alternative is opening your mind to ideas that may not come naturally to you, but that you can at least listen to before deciding anything about them.
Being alternative is being aware of the rest of the world, while being true to yourself. (Even if it includes wearing dockers & a sweatervest ;) )
Being alternative is having freedom of expression with little worry about how others judge you.
Being alternative is going down the unpopular path when it's right for you, and not being afraid to go down the popular path when it's right path for you, too.
Being alternative means not turning a blind eye to another's plight.
Being alternative is being yourself.


Previously, these sorts of attitudes would get me nothing but stares and ridicule almost as if to say "What does she think she's doing, being happy & being herself even while she's so fat?" Especially since I'm from an area where being large is certainly not the norm. I know I do not dress the part of catalog indie girl, because people have actually come up to me and said "You are so different from what I thought you'd be like." That's a positive thing, it makes me smile.

While I can't say I'm alternative all the time, (Who doesn't have issues with perceived judgements?) I can say that I'm working towards it. I believe this has helped me in my current situation by learning not to judge myself so much. Heck, it's helped me to join this site & group to look for support. It's time for me to follow the healthy path that I truly want to follow :)

I'm looking forward to reading everyone's opinions ^^

ollie27
10-10-2007, 07:13 PM
Thanks for responding Faerie! I dig what you have to say about alternative being a state of mind. I couldn't agree more! This is why I believe my philosophical, economical, environmental and political leanings have so much to do with me considering myself "alternative."

But I believe these ideas, at times, manifest themselves in not only actions, but appearances as well. And one's environment inadvertently effects ones thoughts and actions. (i.e. being a femninist in a patriarchal society, to me has a lot to do with alternative state of mind and where I live).

And when it does so, and one is in an area where it draws stares, well, this effects the state of mind. Which leads to one of your definitions "with little worry about how others judge you."

Sorry, today I am doing research for a senior thesis, and my brain is going 90 mph. Don't mean to sound all whoop-de-de-doo :crazy:


I love your list by the way. Hopefully one day not turning a blind eye to people's plight will be the norm:)


wrdfrog
10-10-2007, 08:54 PM
Great thread to start Ollie! I'm going to join in with my two cents too.

Faerie - Great, great list. I feel the same way and could feel my inner nod to the things you listed.

Even saying that though, I can't really define why I think of myself as alternative. I feel like I'm alternative because I like to form my own opinions about something before agreeing or disagreeing with the crowd. I like doing my own research on things and experiencing things for myself. I think most things are worth trying at least once and I'm really just a person open to opportunities for new experiences. Still, I wouldn't call that alternative, just open minded. Maybe I'm just an alternative people groupie.

dcapulet
10-10-2007, 09:11 PM
I feel like I am "alternative". I just can't get into many things I see around me.

It's kinda funny: I am an advocate for the rights of women, but I enjoy being a stay at home mom. (But I do want a career after grad school) I teach my daughter to be a doctor and a princess. I teach my son to be a football player and a ballet dancer. I just think gender lines are stupid, yet I love a strong man.

That being said, I want more than anything to look like a 1950's style pin up girl. I don't really live the rockabilly lifestyle, because I can't afford the clothes. I also think I should lose some weight before making those kinds of purchases. Also, because I'm interviewing for grad school and internships, I can't really have the piercings I want (nose, lip, labret); I have to settle for the ones I already have. It sucks; that feels like the person I really am, but I learned young that I need to conform a little if I want to make money.

ollie27
10-10-2007, 10:42 PM
Frog - Groupie! Ha!

Capulet-one of the rights of a woman is to stay out home :) Good for you for teaching your children that gender is not a box, nor pigeonholes to fit people in!

I'm interviewing for grad school, too. But no worries about my piercings. I love Humanities!

I hate that conformity and money go hand in hand. It sucks that people think the performance given by an employee would be hindered say, if he or she had green hair and a labret piercing.

Lovely
10-10-2007, 10:55 PM
But I believe these ideas, at times, manifest themselves in not only actions, but appearances as well. And one's environment inadvertently effects ones thoughts and actions. (i.e. being a femninist in a patriarchal society, to me has a lot to do with alternative state of mind and where I live).

Completely agree! I don't think there is anything wrong with dressing on the outside how you feel on the inside. And our surroundings do & will always have an impact on us in that way.


Even saying that though, I can't really define why I think of myself as alternative. I feel like I'm alternative because I like to form my own opinions about something before agreeing or disagreeing with the crowd. I like doing my own research on things and experiencing things for myself. I think most things are worth trying at least once and I'm really just a person open to opportunities for new experiences. Still, I wouldn't call that alternative, just open minded. Maybe I'm just an alternative people groupie.

AMEN! That is very much so how I feel. Especially the groupie part! ^^ LOL


It's kinda funny: I am an advocate for the rights of women, but I enjoy being a stay at home mom. (But I do want a career after grad school) I teach my daughter to be a doctor and a princess. I teach my son to be a football player and a ballet dancer. I just think gender lines are stupid, yet I love a strong man.

I don't think any of those things have to be mutually exclusive. Having the right to stay home with your kids is a woman's right. Gender lines are stupid, and who doesn't enjoy a strong man when you want one? ;)



That being said, I want more than anything to look like a 1950's style pin up girl. I don't really live the rockabilly lifestyle, because I can't afford the clothes. I also think I should lose some weight before making those kinds of purchases. Also, because I'm interviewing for grad school and internships, I can't really have the piercings I want (nose, lip, labret); I have to settle for the ones I already have. It sucks; that feels like the person I really am, but I learned young that I need to conform a little if I want to make money.

I love pinup girls circa 1950's. They are sexy! And yeah, conformity can suck that way. Unfortunately you can't change the way other's see you. Hopefully with time everyone will learn to judge eachother based on the content of their character instead of the metal in their faces.

mauvaisroux
10-10-2007, 11:38 PM
Faerie - you hit the nail on the head! I've always felt different than the people around me - not more than or less than - just different. I can't really explain it.

I guess for me it is the courage to be myself in my heart and mind. I may not always dress the "part" and yeah I have a job, car payments and a mortgage but I'm still the artsy/creative/freaky chick that I've always been. :)

I guess my dad put it best when he said " You can be in this world but not be of it".

On that note this alternachick and her alternaboy raised some eyebrows at the polling station when we went to vote in the provincial elections this evening - :lol:

Lovely
10-11-2007, 08:27 AM
I guess for me it is the courage to be myself in my heart and mind. I may not always dress the "part" and yeah I have a job, car payments and a mortgage but I'm still the artsy/creative/freaky chick that I've always been. :)

I guess my dad put it best when he said " You can be in this world but not be of it".


Mauvaisroux - I can truly identify with that ^_^

ollie27
10-11-2007, 10:39 AM
Hopefully with time everyone will learn to judge eachother based on the content of their character instead of the metal in their faces.

Martin Luther King! I love it! :hug:


mauvaisroux Whenver I vote I am always the only one in line under 50! Is it the same there? So discouraging.

Here, here for artsy/creative/freaky/contributing member of society!

I love the idea of pin-ups, too. The women that did that were very "ahead of their time" so to speak and did what they wanted to do with their body. Love it.

jeepifer
10-11-2007, 01:59 PM
I guess for me it is the courage to be myself in my heart and mind. I may not always dress the "part" and yeah I have a job, car payments and a mortgage but I'm still the artsy/creative/freaky chick that I've always been. :)

Ditto here. I'm a native (Santa Cruz area!) Californian living in the conservative Midwest. Ouch. That said, there's a great, active, thriving Alterna-community alive and well here.

I am just getting started meeting people and making friends. Having two small children has kept me house-bound more than I'd like. My hubby does his best to watch them and let me go out now and then, and I have to try harder to be more grateful instead of freaking out at how the house looks when I get home. :o

I *just* got a nose piercing a month ago. Took me several years to get up the courage, as I work in "mainstream" jobs, but I had a talk with my boss and she didn't have a problem with it as long as it was tasteful and (my word) subdued. My tattoos are hidden by work clothes too.

Er, what was the question again? LOL

-- Jenn

Lovely
10-11-2007, 08:11 PM
Jeepifer - I think that's great that you're boss doesn't mind your new piercing :D

Spinymouse
10-11-2007, 08:22 PM
I have also felt very different from the people around me. I think I was sent to the wrong planet by mistake! I feel alternative so much that I feel alternative to all the alternative groups too. (Uh-Oh!)

I'm single, no kids, 51. I am basically asexual; no desire for a mate. I don't understand why people have to follow traditions and customs. I don't understand why they scream at football games and rock concerts. When I was a little kid I didn't understand why other little kids screamed and ran around in circles. I don't "get" most conventional humor. I don't think dirty jokes are funny. I do appreciate some alternative humor that is out there. Thank goodness or whoever. I'm always surprised when I like something that anybody else does.
I've never worn a business suit. My look is kind of sloppy-inconspicuous except for the socks maybe. I don't eat breakfast food and I don't have a TV and I don't watch movies and I have no idea who most celebrities are. I have never liked most popular music. I really do like the music that I like though, with a passion, it's just not popular. I don't understand fashion of any sort.
I am however interested in blatant silliness, philosophy, spirituality, science, and original thought, making up ones own jokes, and having an entertainment center in ones own head.

Peace and good wishes to all,
jo

Lovely
10-11-2007, 08:39 PM
I am however interested in blatant silliness, philosophy, spirituality, science, and original thought, making up ones own jokes, and having an entertainment center in ones own head.


:D

ollie27
10-11-2007, 09:35 PM
Jenn I'm also trying to get over my dude's lack of cleaning skills:)


Jo I'm picking up what you're putting down. We are, if not on the same page, at least in the same book. I have been married for a year. Before that, I lived 9 years without a television. I married into one and it immediately got delegated to the closet. Only recently have I pulled it out to dust it off and try my hand at exercise videos. No cable. No primetime. And I hate our society's obsession with celebrities. And my unpopular music rocks as well:)

An entertainment center in one's head! Yes! I have always said I know not the definition of boredom.

Speaking of conventional....

I have never understood "small talk" I completely, and totally suck at it. I get in a crowd and I immediately think, "now is the time to TALK. To share ideas, speak about the atrocities and what we can do about them. Talk politics, policy, form a gameplan. I absolutely cannot and do not know how to participate in smalltalk. You want to talk about the weather? Okay, let's talk about global warming. Sports? Let's talk about lack of funding in education. I can't do it. A funny commercial? The product is you. Ahhhhh! Strange looks I get.

Jo says she's been sent to the wrong planet, I have always said I was born in the wrong decade.

I'm glad we're having this conversation. I was searching for a commonality in this forum. It was sort of like, "Okay, we're alternative, now what?" Every forum is specific, be it age, faith, illness, whatnot--we are so diverse!

Spinymouse
10-11-2007, 11:16 PM
this IS a great thread!

Ollie - what decade would you wish to born in? I'm glad we're in the same book!

I can't do small talk either.
I have nothing to say about dish towels.
Someone once told me, and he didn't mean it as a compliment, that in a group setting either I was really quiet or else I would say something that was just way "out there."
In response I said "thank you."

ollie27
10-12-2007, 12:07 AM
I know I romanticize the previous decades and each one has its own crap, but I could see me in the 20s. The Jazz Age! Duke Ellington, Bessie Smith, Sippie Wallace...Smoking was cool, Women's Suffrage was at its crescendo, TV was invented then, but UNHEARD of, expatriates were going to Paris in droves ( I would have been amongst this disillusioned crowd along with T.S. Eliot and Gertrude Stein), Dali's art exhibits, vaudeville, communal spirit, hats, absinthe...

Or living in Crete in about 2348 B.C.E. would be cool, too.

Dish towels. Heh.

Lovely
10-12-2007, 08:39 AM
Thank god I'm not alone in my inability to converse in small talk. Though I think mine might be different...

I move into friendships quickly. I'll meet a stranger and want to be talking like we've been friends for 20 years. Maybe I have some sort of attachment disorder. O_o

ollie27
10-12-2007, 02:41 PM
I can count my friends on one hand. I move out of friendships quickly;)

Have a great weekend. I'm off to the beach for conference/vacation./ wish me luck on my "lifestyle change" carrying over to Orange Beach.

Peace.

wrdfrog
10-12-2007, 06:12 PM
Such a brilliant day today! It really lifted my spirits. I've had a blast. Great Friday. I saw this bird outside today. I've never seen a bird like it. Does anyone know what it is? My uneducated guess is some kind of falcon.

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f319/OuroB/P1000220resized.jpg

After that, I just had a great walk and read part of a good book (about Yoga!). I'm glad it was close enough and stuck around long enough for me to run back home and get my camera. I was feeling some stirrings of anxiety because I start my new job on Monday, but seeing that bit of beauty (and actually being able to capture it on film) and then just taking in the sun and the air and the wind made me feel more centered and able to just takes things as they come.

Ollie - Have fun on your beach break!

More on topic-ish, I too have an issue with small talk. I just don't see the point in it and always feel awkward when expected to participate in it. I don't see the point in communicating meaningless things that you don't really care about just to fill the time and silence. I can have an awesome time just sitting with a person without words more so than if they have to fill the silence with chatter. I guess that's why I have few friends, but the ones I do have are very close and appreciate a bit of quiet every now and again.

I don't really know what era I'd like to live in. I think sometimes that I'd like to live in the 60s for a while. That's mainly because that's the only time besides my own that I'm kinda familiar with. I'm not a really big history buff at all. I'd like to live in some romantic era I think. Well, I guess they all seem romantic in hindsight but that's the thought that comes to me.

gaia2094
10-13-2007, 12:26 PM
What makes me alternative? Wow, where do I start...

I won't give you my life story. I've been overweight my whole life, and it never became apparent to me until I hit elementary school and the kids on the bus made fun of me. In high school, my views became cynical of the world, but for some reason I was still really nice to people. Still am. They just never let me be.

So, I found a way of life that works for me. Green living, vegetarian, humanitarian, gay rights advocate ("Are you gay?! Then why do you care?"), pagan, hippie, Gypsy-wannabe. My clothes still don't reflect at all how I feel on the inside. I used to be goth, and a part of me misses the clothes. Corsets, flowing skirts, chunky jewelry, jewel tones. I think once I hit conventional sizes, around 12 or 14, I'll start trying to make some of these clothes.

I also live in the south, and it boggles people to no end how I can be so "liberal". We have an evangelist who visits campus and has actually assaulted people with a bible (I ran and missed it, thankfully). I love everyone but I keep to myself. I open door for people struggling with their groceries and don't kid myself on whether or not they'll do the same. They won't. I'm open-minded and free and a hippy, witch, and gypsy and loving every moment of my life! Also I hate TV, can't get into conversations with my roommate about people's lives, and can care less about celebrities. I always think in terms of what's right and how it feels spiritually.

ollie27
10-15-2007, 12:16 PM
Frog--that looks like a falcon. Cool!!! This was in your yard? We have a hawk that hunts in our yard. It is so beautiful, but I'm always really nervous about the birds in our yard. I have a guide book at home, I'll see ifI can tell you what kind of falcon it is later. I love walks like the one you described:). How is your new job?

Gaia--if you don't mind, what campus are you speaking of? Seems like I have read somewhere that evangelical dude somewhere.

Modjeska
10-15-2007, 02:59 PM
wrdfrog- That's a Cooper's Hawk! Very cool!

Why do you consider yourself alternative and, if it has, how does this correlate with your previous lifestyle and present change?

Like another posted said, it probably has more to do with geography than anything. In a tiny midwestern farming community where everyone goes to church and the only Democrats are socially conservative union members, I'm a liberal atheist vegan. ;)

I feel more myself lately than I have in years now that I'm finally shedding some of the excess pounds I put on during some rough years. That extra confidence makes it easier to try to connect with others locally who share my views.

purple kitty
10-17-2007, 09:04 AM
I consider myself alternative because most of my views on certain things contradict most mainstream ideas. I'm pro-choice, pro-gay marriage, I dislike the vast majority of today's popular TV shows (lI love Flavor of Love, though), today's popular music, I am ridiculously liberal, I play the clarinet and piano instead of the guitar or drums. On top of all that, I am also Catholic, living in a predominately Muslim city (east Dearborn, MI).

I also enjoy wearing big black boots and dying my hair unnatural shades of red =)

ollie27
10-17-2007, 02:23 PM
Geography is such an important factor. I live in a town that had an anti-immigrant KKK rally last month. Nice, huh? There comes point where it gets harder to defend, harder to speak out and on some days, I just want to shut up, because atrocities such as this are in my face every 5 minutes. But I don't. This builds, I believe, a certain stamina/determination to go along with the alternative frame of mind.

Give it up for a Catholic pro-choice and pro-equal marriage!! *high fives purplekitty*

purple kitty
10-17-2007, 09:44 PM
Geography is such an important factor. I live in a town that had an anti-immigrant KKK rally last month. Nice, huh? There comes point where it gets harder to defend, harder to speak out and on some days, I just want to shut up, because atrocities such as this are in my face every 5 minutes. But I don't. This builds, I believe, a certain stamina/determination to go along with the alternative frame of mind.

Give it up for a Catholic pro-choice and pro-equal marriage!! *high fives purplekitty*

Woo hoo! *Does happy dance*

Geography is a HUGE factor. I was picked on a little bit for being Catholic, but what hurt my feelings the most is that a lot of my friends weren't even allowed to come over my house because of the whole religion thing. It sucked, but you live and learn the differences in cultures, ya know? I couldn't really be mad, it just sucked.

I couldn't imagine being near a KKK rally, that's really scary. I still don't understand how some people think that type of behavior is beneficial.

It is hard to speak up for what you believe in sometimes...In my Lifespan and Development Psychology class, a woman in my class was going on about how this particular transsexual professor at our college should be fired because "transsexuals rape children" and that "s/he would rape her kids"...When I spoke up about how transsexuals aren't necessarily rapists just because they're different, she threatened to kick my a**. I laughed.

Lovely
10-17-2007, 11:18 PM
Geography is a HUGE factor. I was picked on a little bit for being Catholic, but what hurt my feelings the most is that a lot of my friends weren't even allowed to come over my house because of the whole religion thing. It sucked, but you live and learn the differences in cultures, ya know? I couldn't really be mad, it just sucked.


I'm sorry, I'm still in shock over how insane that is to me. I suppose the only way to describe how I feel is to say that not being allowed to hang out with someone based on their religion is completely anathema to me. (However, here comes geography as a reason behind that, too!)

It reminds me of something this man once told in my Psychology class. He grew up in Texas, and apparently the curious people in their neighborhood were the Catholic family at one end of the street and the Jewish family at the other. It amused me to hear him say it, because he meant it in an "interesting" curious way.

It still surprises me that someone feels they can judge so much from a person based on one belief. Oh well, I guess there really are crazy-go-nuts people in the world like on that TV show on Fox (I think) that lady from Louisiana who traded houses with the family in Boxborough, MA, and totally flipped out over things that up where she was visiting weren't even given a second glance.

Crazy hypocritical world. Sure it's arrogant of me to say, but maybe some people are just here to remind us all how not to be. (I have to think that sometimes, or who knows? I might wake up one day like one of them O_O *Scary*)

ollie27
10-18-2007, 04:12 PM
It is hard to speak up for what you believe in sometimes...In my Lifespan and Development Psychology class, a woman in my class was going on about how this particular transsexual professor at our college should be fired because "transsexuals rape children" and that "s/he would rape her kids"...When I spoke up about how transsexuals aren't necessarily rapists just because they're different, she threatened to kick my a**. I laughed.

That is insane!!! You would think that just being college would make someone more apt to want to expand their knowledge and understanding of what is beyond themselves and the proverbial horizon, but no, I am faced with that all the time. I gave a presentation in my Moral Values in Today's Society class on equal marriage rights and I heard similar disturbing things. Someone actually gave the line, "Murder happens all the time and it doesn't make it right, same with homosexuality." WTF?

And the thing with Religion---it's is getting worse! Learn from history, what? Nope. Sometimes, I just want to move away. I'm thinking Holland.

Faerie--unlike you I have lost all ability to be surprised at the ignorance so prevalent in today's society. Sometimes I wish I had it back, because that would mean I have a certain optimistic outlook on society...

Lovely
10-18-2007, 04:18 PM
Someone actually gave the line, "Murder happens all the time and it doesn't make it right, same with homosexuality." WTF?


I'm going to ditto your "WTF". Because, really, WTF?


Faerie--unlike you I have lost all ability to be surprised at the ignorance so prevalent in today's society. Sometimes I wish I had it back, because that would mean I have a certain optimistic outlook on society...

I'm not saying that I'm complete unjaded. Maybe I'm just naive about some things that still go on :(

purple kitty
10-19-2007, 06:04 PM
That is insane!!! You would think that just being college would make someone more apt to want to expand their knowledge and understanding of what is beyond themselves and the proverbial horizon, but no, I am faced with that all the time. I gave a presentation in my Moral Values in Today's Society class on equal marriage rights and I heard similar disturbing things. Someone actually gave the line, "Murder happens all the time and it doesn't make it right, same with homosexuality." WTF?

And the thing with Religion---it's is getting worse! Learn from history, what? Nope. Sometimes, I just want to move away. I'm thinking Holland.

Faerie--unlike you I have lost all ability to be surprised at the ignorance so prevalent in today's society. Sometimes I wish I had it back, because that would mean I have a certain optimistic outlook on society...

How the heck can someone say that being homosexual is just like KILLING someone?! That is completely ridiculous!

I've always seen it as if you're not gay, then don't have gay marriage! It's as simple as that! It's not like the government is going to force you to have one.

I really do like to try to see the best in people, but sometimes it's very hard.

Spinymouse
10-19-2007, 06:28 PM
Wow. I'm so glad I live on the CA coast. I don't hear any bigoted statements. I think around here if people do think that way they at least know enough to shut up about it.

ollie27
10-21-2007, 03:57 PM
FYI-there were more people that were more people at the rally protesting the KKK than there were in support, but it is the fact that we still have a presence that is unbelievable.

Spinymouse--I loved your "changing tradition one breakfast at a time posts" :)

mauvaisroux
10-29-2007, 11:57 PM
My parents grew up in a religiously intolerant atmosphere (Catholic versus Protestant in Britain) but it made them more tolerant of others in the long run.

Apparently one of my grandmothers was a medium and one of my grandfathers was a buddhist (Imagine that in 1950's Scotland!) So my dad was really exposed to other ideas.

My mum remembers what it was like to be treated badly because you were different.

When I was a kid my parents didn't care what race/religion my friends were, they were just happy there were some kids in the neighbourhood for me to play with. Most of my friends were kids whose parents had immigrated to Canada just as mine had.

I guess this is why I don't understand racism or religious intolerance and I am very shocked when coming face to face with it.

*****on another note re: "small talk" ... Ugh! Over the years I have become good at it for the sake of my work relationships but sometimes just hearing it makes my head hurt. Its hard to relate to people who think light reading is the T.V. Guide and when you want to discuss Shakespeare!

Still if we were all the same life would be boring. :)

ollie27
11-05-2007, 12:20 PM
Oooh....cool history with your grandparents! That would be fun to research!

Ha! TV Guide! Yep, I can't count how many mornings I have heard, "Hey, did you catch (insert program here) last night...oh, I forgot, you don't have television. Well, err, uh,......mmmm....ummmm," Or how many times I am asked if I have seen so and so's commercial. Commercials! Folks don't know what to talk about if it's not relted to the tele. On a similar note, I have tickets to see Macbeth this weekend:)

And, yes, sigh....life would be boring if we were all the same, but I do have aspirations of the human race becoming a wee more intelligent. Hey. A girl can dream can't she;)

Enygirl
11-05-2007, 01:11 PM
I'm new to this site, and new to the reinvention of myself. I decided about 6 months ago that I was going to complete revamp myself, body, mind, and soul. My mind and soul are quickly reconditioning - and I'm becoming the "internal" me again. I joined this site to work on the outer me. Mostly because the woman I see in the mirror is not who I see in my mind's eye.

Reasons why I'm considered "alternative" - I live in the conservative Mid-west, always have - and have never fit in. I'm 27 years old, have an amazing daughter, and and incredible boyfriend that we live with. *shock - living-in-sin* - and no intentions of getting married anytime soon (much to my mothers dissapproval). I've been married - not my thing.

I am strong-willed, educated, sarcastic, and brave. I have 12 piercings: 9 in ears, both nipples and my tounge. I have 3 tattoos: one rainbow butterfly on my ankle, representing my bisexuality, a fairy on my right shoulde blade w/ my daughter's name under it, and the chinese symbol for "slave" on my left shoulder blade that represents my commitment to my boyfriend and Master (his is on his left forearm). I have been called a freak from time to time. I'm a lot to keep up with :)

My views are pretty libral, and I'm not one to judge... I love everyone equally - and push the norms to the extreme. I'm very competative, which is not a desired quality (generally) in a woman.

I completely baffle people that I work with - who are extremely right-winged, religious republicans... but I'm one **** of a worker and I'm not afraid to stand my ground or voice my opinion - even though I'm always the odd man out.

I'm easy-going, and easy to get along with. I love to get to know people of like minds.. or people that give me something to think about and challenge my beliefs. :df:

mauvaisroux
11-05-2007, 10:55 PM
Welcome enygirl! :wave:

I think it is really important to stay true to yourself. I get along with people at work (easy, cause most of them are really nice) but I avoid discussing certain topics with them because I know my views would seem radical or weird - besides I have friends outside of work that I can talk to about life, the universe and everything. :)

I said to someone the other day that I feel like I have a split personality -
one is the office worker who is the conscientious, analytical, efficient, legal professional and then there is my artsy, gothy, sci-fi - horror loving, bellydancing gamer girl side - if I didn't have creative outlets I would go bonkers! :dizzy:

ollie27
11-05-2007, 11:33 PM
:welcome2: Enygirl! I think it's cool that you have MILF on your profile :cool:

Blessings on the revamping of the outer you. I'm right there with you--trying to get the three (body, mind and spirit) to be in harmony. It's in the bag, baby.

Enygirl
11-06-2007, 12:24 PM
Thanks for the warm welcome! I knew that I'd find where I belong :)
~Mauvaisroux - I completely understand the split personality thing. I used to be that way completely! Now I'm me 100% all the time, I just bite my tounge more often at work. :D

I have to say that all of you are an inspiration to me :hug:- I love seeing the tickers everyone has that have how much they've lost. It proves to me that I can do it too! I weigh in every Friday w/ the girls at work - we have a Christmas challenge going and right now I'm in 2nd (out of 5)... I could sure use the money on the 21st of December - but more importantly I could use the positive smile looking back at me when I start to see the woman inside showing through.

mauvaisroux
11-06-2007, 10:36 PM
Enygirl - good luck with the challenge! :lucky:

RiotGrrlCynic
11-18-2007, 02:04 AM
I think alternative is the only label that fits me well, and thats just because it is so extremely broad.

I grew up a punk rebel grrl in a small college town, went to an "alternative" high school (my graduating class was 60). I dyed my hair every color imaginable, and shaved most of it off after getting sick of stupid men's catcalls one day (I was 15). Lots of piercings in my late teens, most taken out in my early 20's so I could work. 13 tattoos so far though. Most of my clothes that aren't jeans are black (not into bright colors except for socks and purses).

I tried hard not to label myself sexually but since I'm married to a guy society does it for me. I consider gender and sexuality fluid.

I am a Feminist. (Rare for women in the south to admit it...too scared of being seen as man hating lesbians)...

I listen to all kinds of music, but avoid what is on the radio...

I think it is ridiculus for actors and athletes and musicians to make millions of dollars when teachers and people doing manual labor can barely make ends meet.

okay...I'm getting a little rant-y...*steps off soapbox*
:soap:

hehehe

ollie27
11-19-2007, 02:19 PM
I think alternative is the only label that fits me well, and thats just because it is so extremely broad.
(not into bright colors except for socks and purses).

I tried hard not to label myself sexually but since I'm married to a guy society does it for me. I consider gender and sexuality fluid.

I am a Feminist. (Rare for women in the south to admit it...too scared of being seen as man hating lesbians)...

I listen to all kinds of music, but avoid what is on the radio...

I think it is ridiculus for actors and athletes and musicians to make millions of dollars when teachers and people doing manual labor can barely make ends meet.





Wow. Ummmm....did I write that or you?

mauvaisroux
11-20-2007, 08:32 PM
Confession - I am a 40 year old woman who shops at Hot topic :o
I bought 3 tops there on the weekend - my new hoodie has kitty ears - I will never grow up! :lol:

RiotGrrlCynic
11-21-2007, 02:18 AM
a hoodie with kitty ears!!! I am so jealous!!!
:lucky:

mauvaisroux
11-21-2007, 08:47 AM
:lol:

Heidijn
12-20-2007, 08:28 PM
After a couple of hours of lurking on different forums & reading tons of posts, this is my first foray into 3FC. Not sure why I picked this thread, but it stuck a chord. I too live in a very conservative area and feel entirely out-of-place, more so since my husband moved out nearly 2 months ago. While my wardrobe is a far cry from the black-lace-laden days of yore, inside of my 39 year old body I'm still the girl who used to paint her lips with blue liquid eyeliner.

Which is part of the whole joining-a-forum thing. I am trying to figure out who I am, where I'm going and what I'll do when I get there. Maybe it's a midlife crisis, but I feel like I've lost a big part of what made me feel unique and self-confident.

My weight used to hover around 145#, but I quit smoking nearly 4 years ago and watched it creep up past 160#. AND I started smoking again. Smoking, while stupid, became part of my "alternative identity" as an angry goth.

So, yeah I have many Liberal views and am a non-religious person who smokes, living in a small town where seemingly everyone has 2.2 children and eats meat and potatoes in their uninteresting homes every night. Now that I live without human companionship (2 dogs & 2 cats though, far better company than the majority of humans!) I'm looking for some support, advice and friendly kicks-in-the-butt to get my weight and my life in control.

mauvaisroux
12-25-2007, 03:55 PM
Welcome Heidjn! :wave: