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ShyShy19
09-19-2007, 10:29 AM
I'm sorry if this topic has already been started.

So who watches The Biggest Loser.
I like watching it but I'm confused by some of it. I always heard that losing more than 4 lbs in a week is unhealthy, but some of these people are dropping more than 30 lbs in a week?

I do get motivated while watching them workout. I really don't know how they do. I don't weigh as much as they do and I can't run up a mountain, run in the sand with a log. I had a hard enough time walking my 35 minutes this morning. I truly do not know how they do it.

I don't like the blonde trainer, she gets on my nerves. I think I'd do best with the guy. Sorry I forgot their names.


4myloves
09-19-2007, 10:38 AM
Hi there!

I'm sure you'll find plenty of people to talk about the show with here.

Also, there is a whole forum dedicated to The Biggest Loser here:

http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=184

And a thread discussing this season in particular here:

http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=122637

ShyShy19
09-19-2007, 11:33 AM
thankyou 4myself, I'll go over there


JayEll
09-19-2007, 05:10 PM
ShyShy19, they don't lose that weight in an actual week. The episodes show every week, but it's not "real time." Read this:

http://nwsfoundation.com/thebiggestloser.html

Jay

4myloves
09-19-2007, 05:12 PM
My question is:

How can anyone take that much time away from their LIFE to participate in something like this?

JayEll
09-19-2007, 05:33 PM
And now we know why those moms and dads are crying about not seeing their children... It's not just a few weeks, it's months...

Jay

kaplods
09-19-2007, 05:40 PM
It did seem odd that even a mother of two toddlers would be so distressed before the end of week two. If you hadn't at least partially prepared yourself for a couple weeks away from home, why would you sign up for the show?

jtammy
09-19-2007, 05:50 PM
ShyShy19, they don't lose that weight in an actual week. The episodes show every week, but it's not "real time." Read this:

http://nwsfoundation.com/thebiggestloser.html

Jay


What or who is "National Weight Science Foundation"? Does anyone know? It appears to be an organization headed by an attorney who handled a lot of fen-phen cases. I wonder how he got his information and if he is believable. I'm just curious. It seems like everyone has some agenda....

ShyShy19
09-19-2007, 06:00 PM
You know it does seem too good to be true to lose that much weight in one week. Besiedes like I mentioned before, wouldn't that be really unhealthy?

I would much rather bust my a$$ at home then go there and leave my 3 year ols for months at a time, no one way could I do that. I couldn't even concentrate on losing weight becasue I would be missing my child so badly.

kaplods
09-19-2007, 06:44 PM
I posted it because I had read from multiple sources that the time was not "real" time from various sources, and had two online mags that referred to this site. There was also a Time article that referred to some of the "tricks" of the Biggest Loser, but didn't mention time specifically.

I have tried to confirm his identity (the attorney's) and the content of the information (and the identity of the un-named NBC executive). I've hit a lot of sites that refer to the fact that the time is not "real" time, and even posts here of people saying they "caught" contestants referring to a two week time period and then "correcting themselves." I would like to watch episode one again myself to check this.

As to whether 30 lbs or 3 is a more likely first week weight loss, or even more so whether a week 6 weight loss of 11 or 2 lbs is more likely, I have my suspicions, but at this time no hard facts.

I guess I'm left with two options.

Either the time line is more or less accurate, and people are losing up to 12% of their body weight in a week (which mathematically should be impossible, even with 12-16 hour workouts). A rate that is generally considered so dangerous that one would expect people to go into cardiac arrest from the electrolyte imbalances alone. Even when a significant part of the digestive tract is removed, wls patients don't lose this fast. So they are putting contestants at great risk.

or

The timeline is inaccurate. People are losing at a more healthy, gradual pace. That is they are taking care of the contestants, but perhaps at the expense of viewers. For the most part, I assume adults are responsible for using good judgement when watching any of these "don't try this at home" stuff, but I remember being a fat, desperate, dieting teen. I know how tempting it was to attempt dangerous, stupid methods to lose the weight.

I guess, either way I'm left with a bad taste in my mouth, and will probably stop watching the show.

JayEll
09-19-2007, 06:55 PM
Since the man is an attorney, presumably he knows better than to publish information that's untrue--because that would be libel and subject to lawsuit. NBC would be all over it.

Jay

Clydegirl
09-19-2007, 08:33 PM
ShyShy19, they don't lose that weight in an actual week. The episodes show every week, but it's not "real time." Read this:

http://nwsfoundation.com/thebiggestloser.html

Jay

Very interesting article.

Those are much more realistic numbers with regard to the weight loss. I never could understand how they got such huge numbers at their weigh-ins.

I still enjoy the show and will continue to watch. It always inspires me to workout more than I do.

That's a long time to be away from your family.

jtammy
09-19-2007, 08:50 PM
Since the man is an attorney, presumably he knows better than to publish information that's untrue--because that would be libel and subject to lawsuit. NBC would be all over it.

Jay


Yeah, if an attorney creates a website and opens an office with an official sounding name like "National Weight Science Foundation" it must be true. ;) Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. The website just looks like some homegrown page someone stuck out there. I would like to know more about the organization before I accept it at face value.

Whether it's all true or not, I agree that it would have to be completely unhealthy to lose at the rate that is represented on the TV show. I would guess that all of us who have lost weight think the article on that website sounds more believable. :)

ShyShy19
09-19-2007, 09:05 PM
now thinking about it more, it would be pretty much impossible to lose that much weight in one week, or even the 30 lbs that one guy lost, I would think it to be unghealthy for him to lose that weight in only 2 weeks.
Anywho the show is entertaining and motivational for me so I will continue to watch.
These people are changing their lives and that's a great thing.
I would personally never leave my baby to do on a weight loss show though.

LondonJulz
09-19-2007, 09:08 PM
Yeah, if an attorney creates a website and opens an office with an official sounding name like "National Weight Science Foundation" it must be true. ;) Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. The website just looks like some homegrown page someone stuck out there. I would like to know more about the organization before I accept it at face value.

Agree 100%

JayEll
09-19-2007, 09:13 PM
jtammy, I'm not that naive. ;) But I've sent an email asking where he got his numbers.

Someone else posted a link to a Times article about some of the things the contestants do to get their weight down before weigh in. Was very interesting. Like popping in and out of the sauna all night, eating asparagus for its diuretic qualities...

Also, it seems most contestants have regained some weight since the show--but that's to be expected, I think, because of the nature of the show. Erik put back on 22 pounds in 5 months after the show ended.

ShyShy19, I think the show is inspirational, too, because regardless of how the time is manipulated, those folks' bodies really do change. It's interesting to see that.

Jay

kaplods
09-19-2007, 09:34 PM
A question I have, if the time on the show is actually manipulated - did they do focus groups and test audiences that proved that people wouldn't watch a show in which people lost 1 - 5 lbs per week, or did they just assume people wouldn't watch if the numbers were real.

MariaMaria
09-19-2007, 09:48 PM
A television season is 13 weeks. They're going to condense to fit into the season regardless of how much real time passes.

JayEll
09-20-2007, 07:01 AM
OK, the lawyer from NWS actually answered my email. Here is what he had to say about my question:

I searched for two days on the Internet and could not find these dates, or the exact number of days it took each season for the contestants to lose their weight, which was amazing to me. I assumed it would be on the NBC web site. I knew instantly from looking at the data that it must have taken several times longer than 11 or 12 weekly episodes to lose this amount of weight.

I got the dates directly from a high-level official with NBC who works on this show. It is a long story about the particulars about how I got them, but I am an attorney and have no problem using my legal skills when necessary to get information.

When I made the comment to the person from NBC, who called me back with the information, that this must be one of the best-kept secrets in America the person stated, "Yeah, it is pretty hard to find" and kind of laughed when they said it. Now you see why.

If you have any more questions please feel free to contact me. I hope this helps.

Any suggestions about how I can explain this material better, or anything else on the web site, are welcome. I want people to know and understand the truth, not just about the Biggest Loser, but also about all of the weight-loss scams and deceptions, and 99.9% are.

Thank you for your interest.

Jay

kaplods
09-20-2007, 07:27 AM
MariaMaria,

The question isn't why the show is condensed into 13 weeks, it is why would the go so far out of their way to distort the perception of "real time." There are other shows on weight loss that show several weekly weigh-ins in the course of one episode. The obviously believe (whether based in fact or perception) that they must decieve the audience in order to draw and keep them.

jtammy
09-20-2007, 08:27 AM
Thanks Jay for sharing the email. Colleen, that's a good question. Why would they distort the time? Would the typical American viewer not want to know that it is normal to only lose 1 - 2 lbs per week? :shrug: probably....

ShyShy19
09-20-2007, 09:47 AM
I would still watch

JayEll
09-20-2007, 10:04 AM
Oh, me too. But more as entertainment.

Jay