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ebplus3
07-18-2007, 01:18 PM
Hi All! I am doing Atkins/LC for the first time. Today is day 3. Since day one I have been feeling VERY light headed, tired and having slight headaches. I've been reading that alot of people experience this and that it is carb withdrawals and your body switching into fat burning mode. I'm wondering if anyone knows how to help eliminate these symptoms? I read to drink alot of water because some people tend to get dehydrated and these can be symptoms of dehydration but when I drink water it's making me naseous. I really want to stick with this in hopes that it passes and then the weight will start coming off but I feel HORRIBLE. I do notice however, that I feel much better when I'm walking around but I'm at work during the day so that limits how much I can walk around as I sit at a desk all day.

My other question is, I've read that the ketostix are a waste of money and not to buy them. How else will I know if I'm in ketosis or not?

Thank you all for any help you can offer! Have a great day!!


Azure
07-18-2007, 01:30 PM
I'm on week 2 of induction and the first three days I felt pretty blah and I went to bed with a POUNDING headache. I attributed it to caffeine withdrawal--because before going on Atkins I was drinking probably a 2-liter of Diet Coke a DAY. I was hugely Diet Coke/caffeine addicted.

I guess I'll say "this too shall pass". Personally, my symptoms subsided after day 4 and I've felt REALLY good ever since. Not hungry, full of energy, no longer a slave to the evil soda ;)

ebplus3
07-18-2007, 01:45 PM
You're on week 2 of induction and have lost 32 lbs so far??? Or, were you doing something different before? congratulations by the way....32 lbs is a huge accomplishment!!!

I don't think it's the caffeine for me. I drink one cup of coffee in the morning (and I use the coffee that is light on the caffeine. Not completely decaf but 1/2 the caffeine of regular coffee) and will have one, maybe two cans of diet soda a day. Which I haven't eliminated since doing LC (should I?)


FitinTime
07-18-2007, 02:09 PM
Hi Ebplus3,
Welcome! Happy to see you here!
Yes those feelings are a part of what are body is going through. Make sure that you are eating enough protein and veggies/salad during this stage. Don't try to skimp on it, and remember to drink water, that is very important. Another thing, take vitamins, a multi-vit is what I take.
But like Azure said, you will go through withdrawals from sugar, caffeine and whatever else our body was used to having.
It does pass! Then after a few days you see you're gonna have all kinds of energy.
If you have the Atkins book, it explains alot of what we go through.
I hope you start feeling better soon!

ebplus3
07-18-2007, 02:26 PM
Protein and veggies/salad is the majority of what I am eating. I only like cheese in moderation and I'm not a big eggs person so I ate those for breakfast the first 2 day (mixed into egg salad) but today (day 3) I just couldn't do eggs again! LOL. So, it's mainly meat, salad and veggies that I'm eating with a little bit of cheese. I wish this sick feeling would pass already! LOL. Oh, also, I'm drinking some caffeine free celestial seasonings flavored tea....is this okay or is there carbs in the tea (if it's flavored apple cinnamon)? Thanks for your responses!

Azure
07-18-2007, 02:35 PM
You're on week 2 of induction and have lost 32 lbs so far??? Or, were you doing something different before? congratulations by the way....32 lbs is a huge accomplishment!!!

I don't think it's the caffeine for me. I drink one cup of coffee in the morning (and I use the coffee that is light on the caffeine. Not completely decaf but 1/2 the caffeine of regular coffee) and will have one, maybe two cans of diet soda a day. Which I haven't eliminated since doing LC (should I?)

Oh no! I haven't lost 32 lbs since starting Atkins. I've lost 7 over the course of the last week and a half--which, to me, after a year of losing and regaining the same five pounds (from 165 to 160 and back again), is HUGE.

Since I began my weight loss journey for good, a year and a half ago, I've lost 32 pounds. I did it with SBD (a very LC SBD) for the first 20 pounds in about 4 months, and then had a VERY hard time trying to "eat healthy" (oh, what a misconception) by eating a low-fat, high-carb diet and counting calories--I was prone to binges eating that way so I basically treaded water for an entire year.

I decided to try a Ketogenic diet three weeks ago at 165--I started with 50 net carbs/day eating basically whatever I wanted and I dropped 5 pounds, then after a week and a half of that (plus some cheating...) I bought Atkins' book and I've been on Induction for a week and a half--and today I'm 153, who'd have thought it? So, 7lbs on 1.5 weeks of Induction and 12lbs total since three weeks ago when I cut carbs.

Did that make any sense?

ebplus3
07-18-2007, 03:11 PM
Is a ketogenic diet a LC diet? So you were eating whatever you wanted...just staying under 50 carbs a day...and you lost 5 lbs? Well, we're about the same weight now...I keep going between 160 and 165 too (but I'm much shorter than you! LOL). I did do WW some years ago and lost 40 lbs. but I've gained 20 of those back (I was originally 180 after having my last baby). So, because WW worked for me before I would always go back to that thinking that since it worked before it'll work again. Well, I haven't been able to stick to it (always being hungry, getting the sweets cravings, etc) so I've decided, for the first time, to try a low carb diet. I'm hoping these sick feelings that I'm getting means I'm doing it right and I'll start noticing a weight loss soon! What helps me is to see people's daily menus (see what they're eating). Does anyone know where I might find a thread that posts people's menus?

aud
07-18-2007, 03:24 PM
We used to have a menu Thread right here in Atkins Section - think we should start one again?

I think it was like - What's For Breakfast?

What's For Lunch?

What's For Supper?

I think it went by the Week.:?:

I remember getting a lot of inspiration and ideas from those Threads.:)

ebplus3
07-18-2007, 03:28 PM
Oh yea....seeing what people that have actually LOST eat....that is a HUGE help and inspiration for me!

Azure
07-18-2007, 03:36 PM
Is a ketogenic diet a LC diet? So you were eating whatever you wanted...just staying under 50 carbs a day...and you lost 5 lbs? Well, we're about the same weight now...I keep going between 160 and 165 too (but I'm much shorter than you! LOL). I did do WW some years ago and lost 40 lbs. but I've gained 20 of those back (I was originally 180 after having my last baby). So, because WW worked for me before I would always go back to that thinking that since it worked before it'll work again. Well, I haven't been able to stick to it (always being hungry, getting the sweets cravings, etc) so I've decided, for the first time, to try a low carb diet. I'm hoping these sick feelings that I'm getting means I'm doing it right and I'll start noticing a weight loss soon! What helps me is to see people's daily menus (see what they're eating). Does anyone know where I might find a thread that posts people's menus?

I think it's one of those confusing questions. Some low carb diets are ketogenic diets, but not all of them. In fact, I'd venture to say that most LC diets aren't ketogenic--at least not after the first two weeks. South Beach Diet, for example, was probably ketogenic in the first two weeks with only vegetables, meat and cheese being "okay" (sound familliar?) But after that, fruit and whole grains come back into play immediately--I think Atkins eases you into those foods more gradually.

Just because there are so many different definitions of what "low carb" means, and people go into ketosis at different levels, what is and isn't "ketogenic" seems pretty individual. I like that Atkins gives every individual a "jump start" in induction, pretty much guaranteeing that anyone can get into ketosis during induction and then lets you add carbs back in slowly (~5 per week), to see where the person's threshold is for carbs/day so that they can still lose weight effectively. I feel safe on Induction--so I think I'll stay here until I'm almost RIGHT at goal, then go through the weaning-off processes that are OWL (Ongoing Weight Loss), Pre-Maintenance and then Maintenance. Atkins has all of them outlined in his book--and I'd definitely think about picking it up if you don't have a copy and want to do Atkins the "right" way :)

Well, I didn't eat quite -everything- I wanted. I definitely cut back on sugar almost completely (I say almost because I bake for my parents' restaurant and I was nibbling here and there a couple days during those first two weeks), but I was still eating things like low carb tortillas--which aren't allowed on Induction. Also, my nibbling induced a single binge on junk...which isn't a good plan. I was counting net carbs for things, but I wasn't paying much attention to where they came from before I picked up Atkins' book, if that makes any sense. Plus, I suspect that first week, much of that first 5lbs was my glycogen stores getting flushed out and water being lost. I know by my pants fitting looser that I'm definitely losing body fat now, though!

I don't know about menus elsewhere, but here's a typical day for me, for example:

Breakfast: 2 over-easy eggs, ~5oz ham steak (I like to dunk the ham in the egg yolk...rarely do I eat the egg white)

Lunch: 2 c. lettuce, 3 tbs low carb dressing (1 carb per 2 TBS), .5 oz sharp cheddar cheese, 5 oz chicken breast

Dinner: Cube steak (or boneless pork ribs or chicken breast) with baked chili-powder spiced zucchini slices or 1 cup of "Mock Mash" cauliflower (tastes JUST like mashed potatoes--yum!).

Snack: 1-2 oz sharp Wisconsin cheddar

Best part about Atkins so far? After about day 5, I stopped getting HUNGRY. I'm really only hungry first thing in the morning--after that, I eat because I should, not because I feel ravenous. It's nice :)

ebplus3
07-18-2007, 04:02 PM
I see...so basically it's when you lose weight by being in ketosis. Right? Aside from using the ketostix, how do you know if you are in ketosis or not?

I plan on sticking with induction for a while too. Although, I must admit, I'm excited about learning what my carb/day number is to continue losing weight. That's a good thing to know about your body!

Today (day 3) is actually the first day that I've been hungry! Yesterday and the day before I was fine. Not hungry at all. Then again it is lunch time right now (it's noon where I am....Los Angeles). :) Time for my salad and chicken! :)

Azure
07-18-2007, 04:20 PM
I see...so basically it's when you lose weight by being in ketosis. Right? Aside from using the ketostix, how do you know if you are in ketosis or not?

I plan on sticking with induction for a while too. Although, I must admit, I'm excited about learning what my carb/day number is to continue losing weight. That's a good thing to know about your body!

Today (day 3) is actually the first day that I've been hungry! Yesterday and the day before I was fine. Not hungry at all. Then again it is lunch time right now (it's noon where I am....Los Angeles). :) Time for my salad and chicken! :)

Yes, a Ketogenic diet is when you bring your body into ketosis (fat-burning metabolism instead of carb-burning metabolism) that you lose weight on Atkins.

As far as I know, the only way to know for sure if you're in ketosis is the ketostix. I bought a bottle for about $6 at WalMart, and I've been in ketosis since day 3, according to them. They're supposedly not terribly accurate, but if the stick is pink or purple, I know I'm still there. I check every day :) Though on induction, as long as you're following Induction to the letter, you can be fairly sure that you're in ketosis, anyway.

FitinTime
07-18-2007, 04:27 PM
We used to have a menu Thread right here in Atkins Section - think we should start one again?

I think it was like - What's For Breakfast?

What's For Lunch?

What's For Supper?

I think it went by the Week.:?:

I remember getting a lot of inspiration and ideas from those Threads.:)

I think that's a good idea, then we can get ideas from each other as well.

ebplus3
07-18-2007, 04:48 PM
I'm not sticking to induction to A TEE but here's what I have eaten so far. Can someone tell me if I'm at least figuring the carb count correctly? Thanks!

B: coffee (light on decaf...1/2 the caffeine of regular coffee) w/2 TBSP of sugar free flavored creamer (2 carbs)
2 sausage patties (I looked at the label and it said serving size is 2 patties=1 carb)

Snack: 5 slices of salami (label read serving size 5 slices = 1 carb)

lunch: 2 C. iceberg lettuce (1 carb) with a few chopped up green bell peppers (1 carb) and a few chopped up baby carrotts (1 carb) with chicken that had canned tomatoes cooked in it (2 carbs for the toms) with vinegarette dressing (label reads 2 TBS=3 carbs)

Then for dinner I plan on having chicken with mushrooms and onions and a green veggie (either green beans or spinach).

Does this sound okay? I am sticking to under 20 carbs/day. Can I still get into ketosis?

Puncezilla
07-18-2007, 05:46 PM
Hi ebplus3, Welcome! your menu sounds good, you should be able toget into ketosis, you probably already are. your carb count may be a little low on the veggies. I used fitday to calculate my carbs for the first few weeks untill I got used to the diet. as for the feeling sick it should pass in the first week. I didn't cut out the cafeine completely, just cut back, and whatch out for asprtame in diet soda, it can slow you down.

FitinTime
07-18-2007, 05:56 PM
Ebplus 3,
In induction, Atkins says not to eat carrots because they have sugar in them.
These are the veggies that you can eat at 3 cups per day: radishes, cucumbers, bell pepper, celery, arugula, mushrooms, chives, alfalfa sprouts, jicama, romaine, sorrel, parsely, endive, daikon, escarole, bok choy, and chicory.

These you can have at 1 cup per day:
artichoke hearts, asparagus, bamboo shoots, bean sprouts, beet greens, broccoli, broccolio rabe, brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower, celery root, chard, collard greens, dandelion greens, eggplant, hearts of palm, kale, kohlrabi, leeks, okra, onion, pumkin, rhubarb, sauerkraut, scallions, snow peas, spaghetti squash, spinach, string or wax beans, summer squash, tomato, turnips, water chestnuts, and zucchini.

Garnishs for salads: Crumbled bacon, grated cheese, minced hard-boiled egg, sauteed mushrooms, sour cream.
Decaf coffee with heavy cream and splenda.

These are all during the induction phase.
I hope this helps you!
You can do it!!!

FitinTime
07-18-2007, 05:58 PM
Ooops, not to mention all the meats, poultry, seafood and pork you can eat.

ebplus3
07-18-2007, 06:56 PM
Aaah...yes....I've heard about fitday alot. I will check it out. I counted the green bell peppers and carrots as only 1 carb because I literally barely had any in there so, for example, the bell peppers are 3.4 carbs for 1/2 C but I had less than a 1/4 cup that's why I counted it as one. I use the Atkins carb counter as my reference. I couldn't find iceberg lettuce though so I used what it said for romaine....maybe it's not the same? Either way...I'm going to sign up on fit day. Thank you everybody for all your great responses!!!

ebplus3
07-18-2007, 06:59 PM
oops! I didn't see these lasts posts when I posted my last one! lol. I think I need to pay more attention to how much of the veggies I'm eating. As in which ones I can have one cup of vs. 3 cups of. So...what about iceberg lettuce? Does that fall under the 3 cups/day?

Puncezilla
07-18-2007, 07:55 PM
Any kind of lettuce is fine. the darker green ones are just slightly more nutritious. And the tiny bit of raw carrot you had on your salad isnt going to hurt either. I'm not as strict with the veggies as I could be and it hasnt stoped me from losing.

deedee10
07-18-2007, 09:48 PM
Hello, is there anywhere on 3FC where they discuss the Somersize program?

Thanks!

ebplus3
07-19-2007, 03:11 PM
Hi Everyone! Today is day 4 for me and I am feeling MUCH better (the headaches and dizziness are 95% gone!). Whew! That was horrible! Anyway, I bought the ketostix and checked one last night and it was in the lightest color. I'll check again tonight though.

Anyway, I was on fitday trying to log my food for this morning and I was having the hardest time finding a couple of foods. I had sauteed fresh, raw onions and mushrooms in a little butter and I kept seeing "mature onions" (whatever those are) and boiled onions or mushrooms. I ended up just looking at atkins carb counter. I estimated 1 C of raw mushrooms (that cooked down to about 1/2 C to be 2 carbs and 1/3 of an onion (raw) to be 2.5 carbs. I sauteed them both in butter so I counted the whole thing as 4.5 carbs (I ate them with a chicken breast). Does that sound about right?

aud
07-19-2007, 04:27 PM
I'm on Day 4 too eb - feeling great and glad you're better!:hug:

ebplus3
07-19-2007, 04:52 PM
Thanks! cool...we can do this together! Have you used the ketostix? Do you know that you're in ketosis? I see that you've lost 3 lbs...that's great! I haven't weighed myself yet. I'm going to on Sunday when it's been one week.

SherylJoyce
07-20-2007, 06:23 PM
Azure, your posts and blog are very inspiring!

I am going to start an Atkins-like approach, actually the European version of Atkins, called The New High Protein Diet by Charles Clark, an endocrinologist from Scotland. I have his book on order from amazon. It takes about a month for delivery, but I found a web article outlining his diet in detail and it's perfect for me. I think this approach may be more suitable to me than Atkins, because I like my caffeine (drink a ton of tea every day), and also you start off right away being able to eat from a list of unlimited low starch veg. Curiously, I am a vegetable junkie and measuring out 2 cups of lettuce just doesn't cut it for me. Other than that, the two plans are very similar.

Anyway, thanks for posting your menus and giving out such helpful information about lowcarbing. I'm glad I stumbled upon this thread!

aud
07-21-2007, 01:58 PM
The 3 lbs were an accident, eb! Chalked up to living on Bud Light and a lot of Camp Out on the River Activity.:dizzy: I weighed 248 when I left on vacay and 245 when we returned - go figure. Started Atkins (again) Monday the 16th.

I'm w/i for the first time tonight when I get to work (medical scale) - I usually don't work Saturdays - so normally will be checking my weight on Fridays.

Would love to have a big drop - (clothes fitting different already!:D) . . . but will focus on how great I feel energy wise if for some reason there isn't - there's always next week - right?:D

aud
07-21-2007, 02:10 PM
PS: I've never used or worried much about ketosis sticks/ketosis, eb. I just go by how I feel - which is great when I enter it. I DO have a dry mouth when I get in it - so I just drink lots of water 'cause most breath type things have hidden carbs. I think tic tacs are the lowest breath remedy aren't they?:?:

Bouncing
07-21-2007, 03:43 PM
Hi, I'm a little over 2 mos. into Atkins. I did better after I switched from non-dairy creamer to heavy cream, and I do better with NO aspartame at all. I loves me my coffee, though. YHansen's no-cal soda uses Splenda. Anybody know of any others? I've read every diet soda label I could find! I stalled for a while. I joined a gym a week ago, have done 20 min. on redumbant biycle 3x/week (I plan to work my way up to 30 min 5x/wk), andf dropped 2 lbs this week. Hooray! Atkins energy, yeah!

FitinTime
07-21-2007, 04:54 PM
Hi, I'm a little over 2 mos. into Atkins. I did better after I switched from non-dairy creamer to heavy cream, and I do better with NO aspartame at all. I loves me my coffee, though. YHansen's no-cal soda uses Splenda. Anybody know of any others? I've read every diet soda label I could find! I stalled for a while. I joined a gym a week ago, have done 20 min. on redumbant biycle 3x/week (I plan to work my way up to 30 min 5x/wk), andf dropped 2 lbs this week. Hooray! Atkins energy, yeah!

Diet Rite soda has no sugar, it has splenda, no caffine, and no calories. It comes on different flavors. Cola, orange, rapsberri and my favorite, white grape.
It's good!

FitinTime
07-21-2007, 04:56 PM
Sorry my spelling is bad, just polished my nails! hehe.

ebplus3
07-23-2007, 04:20 PM
Okay...this is wierd. I was feeling horrible the first 3 days (light headed, dizzy and some headaches) but on day 4 I started feel significantly better and have been fine ever since. Until, today! This is day one of week two for me (my 8th day) and all of a sudden I'm feeling dizzy again! Anyone have any info on what could be going on? Has anyone ever heard that LC isn't for everybody?

Puncezilla
07-23-2007, 04:32 PM
Hi ebplus3, It's hard to say what's triggering the dizzyness. did you eat/do anything different? its possible your getting to few carbs? Its realy hard to say with out knowing what you are eating. I had some problems in the beginning with dizzyness, but realized it was the cromium in a suppliment I was taking, I'm fine now that I stopped taking it. Some people do well with a little more carbs, some are fine with less, You need to play around a bitt till you find a level that works for you.

ebplus3
07-23-2007, 05:36 PM
Yesterday I did have ALOT less carbs than I've been having. I've been having almost 20 but yesterday I don't think I had any! maybe that's it.

nasus40
07-23-2007, 09:07 PM
that may be it. I had a problem the first two weeks starting worse than ever this time. but now that I am going full blown I am doing great. make sure that you do eat. and take your potassium, magnesium and vits.

BoopRN
07-23-2007, 09:37 PM
I do also get dizzy spells mostly when I stand up from a sitting position. (aka: orthostatic hypotension) This is when your blood pressure becomes low when you stand up and kinda get that head rush and feel dizzy. I think its related to fluid volume deficit in my body. This sometimes happens when I haven't had enough water for the day, probably not enough fluids that I've taken in at the time. However, I also think it does have to do with the amount of carbs which is closely related to blood sugar as well.

ebplus3
07-24-2007, 07:12 PM
Thank you for your responses. I wonder how long these dizzy spells last? I mean, if you live a low carb lifestyle, are these to be expected?

2muchbackend
08-04-2007, 11:50 PM
I just started Low carb yesterday and I feel horrible have the headache and dizzy. It totally sucks I'm actually not on atkins though I'm on a moderate carb diet but I guess I'm still suffering from withdrawls.

chickadee315
08-05-2007, 01:09 AM
i had well over 20 grams of carbs but nowhere near what one no on lc would usually eat in a day and i have had a headache all day - my guess is from the carbs i ate. and i am sure ill have naother one tomorrow once i get back donw to 20g

dont worry 2much it will pass in a couple days - just drink lots of water and get some extra rest the first 3 days - good luck!

Azure
08-05-2007, 06:11 PM
The only days after those first three where I've felt weird is on the days I binged on Carbs after being in ketosis for a couple weeks. My body reacted really poorly to all the carbs pouring into by body--I think I had some sort of numbing sugar-coma going on or something. At the end of the day I felt dizzy, dull-witted, nauseous and generally just bad.

Once you're into ketosis and the carb withdrawls go away, the dizziness/headache should, too!

chickadee315
08-06-2007, 12:58 PM
yeah i wsa pretty tired yesterday and today to and the non stop headaches are really making me wish i had avoided the carbs - so i am going to a wedding in a couple wks and though i will be tempted to have cake i will remember how awful i have been feeling..... argh i wish i could weigh myslef but alas i am poor and will have to wait until the wkend...when i can buy a new digital scale.

Bouncing
08-06-2007, 01:10 PM
Good morning, CFhickadee, I'm sorry you're feeling carb-hung over! Thanks for volunteering for the research committee, though, and sharing the result with us. ;) I will take your experience to heart when I really, really want carbs. So far, I've resisted. But I think maybe giving in is a little like sea-sicknesss: I won't congratulate myself just yet; maybe I just haven't experienced the fatal combination of conditions yet!