General chatter - Guess the party is at Paris' tonight




cbmare
06-07-2007, 02:39 PM
Can you believe that they let her out of jail today?

Some of the reports I heard were that her shrink visited her everyday in jail. Guess that's the medical excuse.

I honestly hope she violates this at home thing and has to go back and finally learn her lesson.


lilybelle
06-07-2007, 02:49 PM
Unfortunately I can believe it. Sad.

melekalikimaka
06-07-2007, 02:54 PM
Sadly, money can buy most anything, except class.

Paris should be made to wear not only the house arrest ankle bracelet, but also the SCRAM (Secure Continuous Remote Alcohol Monitoring) bracelet that Tracy Morgan has since she has a tendency to drive drunk. Even when she's sober she can't control her car. It's scary but unfortunately, that's Hollyweird. Oh yeah, she should also be made to wear underwear! :lol:


alinnell
06-07-2007, 02:54 PM
It sounds like she was either really upset or it was a ploy to get out early--she cried for hours at a time. Her psychiatrist managed to get her out on a mental illness thing. Now she's got house arrest for the entire 45 day original sentence.

SoulBliss
06-07-2007, 03:14 PM
Um, what prisoner does NOT cry for hours at a time or suffer metally from incarceration? :?: I am so disgusted. The rich should not have special treatment. I would have liked to see her get several years in "regular" general population jail.

It is especially pathetic for her to EVER have a DUI or anything like that, as she can afford taxis, chauffeurs, bodyguards, personal assistants and so on to PREVENT her "lifestyle" from getting in the way of breaking the law.

She's repulsive to me and so are the legal officials who have allowed this travesty to take place.

ANOther
06-07-2007, 03:25 PM
Silly tw*t (fill in the * with the vowel of your choice!). My dream TV show: sentence pain-in-the-butt rich and celebs to 6 months living in a double-wide in a trailer park on a budget of $500/month flippin' burgers for a living, see how long it takes for reality to stare them in the face before they climb the walls and skitter across the ceiling, and show it all on TV. Paris would be the first resident

SoulBliss
06-07-2007, 03:32 PM
Silly tw*t (fill in the * with the vowel of your choice!). My dream TV show: sentence pain-in-the-butt rich and celebs to 6 months living in a double-wide in a trailer park on a budget of $500/month flippin' burgers for a living, see how long it takes for reality to stare them in the face before they climb the walls and skitter across the ceiling, and show it all on TV. Paris would be the first resident

:lol: Don't forget to throw in legal troubles (ie:debt collectors), lack of health care options, work place harassment (and the inability to retain legal counsel or look for another job) neighbor feuds, plumbing and structural problems with the trailer (which the working poor can't afford to fix), and the depression and anxiety that come with the average person's financial woes.

cbmare
06-07-2007, 04:05 PM
:lol: Don't forget to throw in legal troubles (ie:debt collectors), lack of health care options, work place harassment (and the inability to retain legal counsel or look for another job) neighbor feuds, plumbing and structural problems with the trailer (which the working poor can't afford to fix), and the depression and anxiety that come with the average person's financial woes.


For crying out loud! Don't mince words. Tell us how you really feel!

I cannot agree more with everything you said.

I hope the judge who is sentencing Nicole Richie later this month won't bow to this sort of pressure. Oddly enough, Nicole will probably have to spend time and won't be released because of all the backlash that is bound to happen with this Paris mess (not my word of choice).

Lovestorun
06-07-2007, 04:09 PM
Um, what prisoner does NOT cry for hours at a time or suffer metally from incarceration? :?: I am so disgusted. The rich should not have special treatment. I would have liked to see her get several years in "regular" general population jail.

It is especially pathetic for her to EVER have a DUI or anything like that, as she can afford taxis, chauffeurs, bodyguards, personal assistants and so on to PREVENT her "lifestyle" from getting in the way of breaking the law.

She's repulsive to me and so are the legal officials who have allowed this travesty to take place.

AGREE COMPLETLY!!!!:mad:

alinnell
06-07-2007, 04:13 PM
Mare~didn't you hear? Word is that Nicole Ritchie is preggers. I guess she had to do something to stay out of jail! (Let's see if it is true.)

cbmare
06-07-2007, 04:24 PM
Mare~didn't you hear? Word is that Nicole Ritchie is preggers. I guess she had to do something to stay out of jail! (Let's see if it is true.)

Hadn't heard that. There are plenty of women who have babies while they are in jail. She should be no exception.

Martha served all her time. What's wrong with these celebrity thugs doing theirs?

Dag nabbit!

grneyedmustang
06-07-2007, 04:25 PM
All I can say is UGH.

bargoo
06-07-2007, 05:03 PM
Well. I feel so sorry for her , imagine having to serve time in a mansion!
I doubt that she will be able to stay out of the clubs, I am just afraid that it will only be a matter of time before she has another DUI.

Slashnl
06-07-2007, 05:03 PM
The thing that got me is that she has to ENDURE 45 days of staying at home. Um... I'm imagining that her home is rather "nice" and the food would be "edible". Let ME serve her 45 days at her home!!!!!!!!

It just irks me to no end. Where is the justice?

pacman12
06-07-2007, 05:30 PM
This is such an "only in America" thing - maybe we don't have as weird a thing as Hollywood over here, but the public outrage would never allow this to happen here.

Can they honestly expect the public to believe this "is not an early release, it's a reassignment"???? Just because she has a lo-jack on.. she gets to live in a mansion with servants and family & friends around.. not exactly a punishment. Just unbelievable.. I guess there is a different justice system as well as a different value system for these airhead celebrities.

Clydegirl
06-07-2007, 05:47 PM
It's disgusting that they let her out.

I hope if she gets another DUI they throw her back in jail.

kaplods
06-07-2007, 06:12 PM
Unfortunately when I was a probation officer in central Illinois, I saw some pretty lenient sentences even among non-celebs, and even relatively poor people. The biggest difference, presenting an "good" image in court (clean and respectful), and having a decent lawyer (not necessarily an expensive lawyer, but one that had at least spent a couple hours with the client before court. You'd be surprised at how many hired attorneys, let alone public defenders, who actually met their client for the first time 20 minutes before court).

When there was all the fuss that her sentence was so much harsher than others in her situation (celebs with good lawyers?), I could very well see it being true, but no different than what I saw. They said the judge was offended by her attitude in court (apparently she was non impressed with the judge if not downright disrespectful). I guess her attorney couldn't have been too good if he didn't tell her to kiss judge butt big time (it's certainly what I advised my probationees). Then again, idiots of all classes tend not to listen to good advice.

When I worked with juveniles, we had a kid who was up on truancy charges (not generally a charge a kid is supposed to see incarceration for), and when the judge ordered him to go to school, he said to the judge "Homie don't play dat," and the judge sentenced him to 6 months for contempt of court.

I had a woman on my caseload who got a pretty stiff sentence, and didn't know why (she'd come to see me right after court), and I suggested her T-shirt might have had something to do with it (sort of a kama sutra of cartoon pigs in different positions). "But, it's my best t-shirt," she said. Yes, unfortunately not only rich celebutantes are stupid and clueless.

People with a steady job, who had never gotten into trouble besides DUI
offenses, who were exceedingly respectful to the judge (at least to his face), and had an attorney who actually cared about the client and the outcome always seemed to get off lightly (which might be justified the first time, but after the 4th or 5th time!) Some of that has changed with the 3rd strike laws, but plea bargaining can still create loopholes.

I guess the "good" news, if there is any in Paris' case, is that in my experience the shortest first time sentence was the most effective. If someone stayed long enough to lose their fear, they were more likely to have a second offense. The problem is it all depends on how Paris sees this. If she believes she has manipulated the system, we'll see her in trouble again. In fact, she'll probably violate the home detention (my prediction for what it's worth). However, if she was truly terrified, 3 or 4 days in jail may have done her more good than serving the entire sentence.

What ticks me off, though, is the message it sends to everyday people. Starting with the fact that she is newsworthy, having never "done" anything important herself. Having money and looking good are all that matters. Yikes, we're a twisted society.

EZMONEY
06-07-2007, 07:30 PM
WOW! After the things you gals have said about her I think I need to give her a big o :hug:

cbmare
06-07-2007, 07:32 PM
Careful. You look like a bear hug giver and you'll squish the anorexic brat.

EZMONEY
06-07-2007, 07:41 PM
Thanks for "lookin'" out for me Mare ;)

cbmare
06-08-2007, 12:14 AM
I've got your 6. Who luv's ya, baby?

Misti in Seattle
06-08-2007, 12:20 AM
Actually it looks as if the party may be over before it got started. :) I read tonight that the judge who sentenced her has ordered her back to court tomorrow and may put her back in jail where she belongs! From what it said, the person who released her may not have had the authority to do so. We shall see.

Dreamzer
06-08-2007, 12:23 AM
Actually it looks as if the party may be over before it got started. :) I read tonight that the judge who sentenced her has ordered her back to court tomorrow and may put her back in jail where she belongs! From what it said, the person who released her may not have had the authority to do so. We shall see.

This is great news! I think she should have to serve her time as originally ordered just like everyone else has to.

rubberlegs
06-08-2007, 09:37 AM
And you *know* she won't be let out early this time!

kaplods
06-08-2007, 12:26 PM
She is an adult, and her choices did put her in this situation, but I do have some compassion for her. From my understanding, they had put her in an isolation cell "for her protection," with no contact during the day, except in passing during the 1 hour she was allowed out of her cell (probably in an enclosed exercise yard).

Given Paris's celebrity status, I would guess that even if she begged to be put in general population (which I'm sure she did or would have in a few more days, if left in), there's no way she would be allowed to (FAR too much work and responsibility for the guards to keep everyone safe).

When I worked in a juvenile detention center, each child slept in an individual concrete cell and could be fed through the door, if absolutely necessary, but they spent the day together in school and/or social areas. There were two isolation cells available for use if a child became violent or had been a discipline problem (unfortunately also for use as bedroom cells during overcrowding). Even so, a kid in isolation had a lot more human contact than one hour a day. If another kid was in isolation during the day, they could talk between cells. Usually because of overcrowding, even a kid in isolation would have someone to talk to at night.

The adults in jail spent most of their time in barred cells with a roommate, so they could interact with the person in their cell and in the cells around them.

Solitary confinement (23 of 24 hours alone) is extremely stressful. I saw kids and adults who were terrified of it. Even in prisons this is used only in extreme cases (as punishment or to protect a person's life), because most people can't handle the lack of human contact for more than a few days, and some people go nutty after only a few hours. In that respect her full sentence would have been much harsher than the "average" person's.

Casandra
06-08-2007, 12:41 PM
I was asked to go on television to discuss my views with the BBC regarding Paris Hilton's early release.

If you think about it, most people released on house arrest dont live in mansions. They dont have a personal chef, tennis courts, a spa, jacuzzis, a swimming pool, and cable/the internet in every single room of their home.

The judge's original ruling stated that her sentence could not be altered! If they wont even release the medical condition which she supposedly has, then it must be really life threatening!! I mean, jails are well equipped with hospital wards and the like.

I personally, think someone got paid some mucho $$

kaplods
06-08-2007, 01:30 PM
No, she wasn't sentenced to solitary confinement, but that's what she's going to serve, whether she or her lawyers want it or not. Knowing how jails work in a relatively small community, I can only imagine how much worse in a large city. Safety is a real issue for several reasons. While it's possible that she might be attacked (by someone thinking it a great way to become famous or impress their friends), it's more likely that the ladies would want to get close for autographs, or just to talk to her. This could also provide a distraction for a female inmate to attack another inmate while the guards are watching and controlling the fuss around Paris.

Also, while prisons have an infirmary, most do not have hospital facilities. If a person needs hospital admission they will either be escorted to the hospital if treatment is expected to be short, or transferred to a prison with hospital facilities. But Paris wasn't sent to prison, she was sent to Jail. Most people don't realize there is a difference, but it is a big one. I unfortunately had many probationees who on violating probation were very unhappy to get jail time (up to 1 year) rather than prison time, because of there being "a lot more to do" in prison. Most (if not all) jails do not have hospital facilities, and most don't eveh have an infirmary.

I think one of the biggest misconceptions is how harshly an average person would be treated for driving on a suspended license after a DUI, at least in most communities. I had many people on probation, even those who were very poor, who never served a day of jail time (except maybe until their first court date, if they couldn't make bail) for repeated DUI and driving offenses.
If they had a job, or were an upstanding citizen in any way, the judges were often much more lenient than I would have preferred. Because of overcrowding, jail (let alone prison) was often the last thing they'd be sentenced to. For probation violations (as long as they were less severe than the crime convicted of in the original sentence) even for felony crimes like residential burglary, and even battery rarely were sentenced to anything harsher than having their probation extended (usually for six months to a year at most).

Also, it wasn't common, but certainly not unusual for jail sentences to be adjusted mid-sentence. If an inmate became ill, or had a family member become ill, or even get a job offer their attorney could submit a motion requesting the sentence be changed or reconsidered. I had a guy (poor and with a public defender) get his 30 day jail sentenced changed to six months probation so that he could enter the military, and another get the ankle bracelet and probation so he could look for a job because he had a large family (he never did find a job - mostly because he wasn't looking very hard - but despite my repeatedly filing probation violation reports - he never got so much as a slap on the wrist. Ankle bracelet violations, whether the person was poor or not, were not taken very seriously).

None of this is good or ok, it's just that when we say Paris should serve her sentence "just like everyone else has to," the assumption is that everyone else has to, and that has not been my experience. I could list dozens of cases where average and even career criminals were given alot more breaks than Paris both before and after sentencing.

Sentencing in the US is very inconsistent and doesn't make alot of sense much of the time. That is what I would like to see changed. As for Paris in particular, I really don't care much one way or the other. Whether her sentence is "fair" or not is a lot less important to me than the many cases in which felony criminals are getting unfairly lenient sentences. Whether anyone thinks Paris is being treated unfairly (too harshly or too leniently) is getting far too much attention in my opinion. What bothers me is that it is NOT news when a non-famous person does not receive the sentence that appropriately fits their crime. That should be much more newsworthy in my opinion, than anything Paris Hilton does.

mandalinn82
06-08-2007, 01:47 PM
Colleen - you're my hero.

Solitary, which is what Paris would get, is WAY harsher than the punishment that anyone else would get for this crime.

It is all well and good to say that she should serve the time like everyone else, but the way in which she will serve that time, in prison or at home, is by the nature of who she is, going to be different than the way everyone else would. Everyone else would be in a general area of the jail, with other people around. Everyone else would have WAY less scrutiny on their jail proceedings/sentencing.

I have a friend who got convicted of a DUI on a license already suspended for a DUI. He had -no- jail time. He was put straight on probation. He was a normal person, but we don't HEAR about him because he is a normal person. And even if he HAD been required to go to jail, he would not have been in solitary confinement if he was reasonably behaved.

The saddest part? Gen. Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, just stepped down...this is a man who has major influence on US policy on war and foreign relations. This is major news. I had to go through 5 news stations to get OFF the Paris coverage and onto the White House press conference.

Casandra
06-08-2007, 02:29 PM
I sort of understand solitary confinement. I was placed in it for about a week after I almost went into a diabetic coma. My doctor thought I was "going to harm myself further"

I was allowed books and pens and paper, allowed to write and read to my heart's content. I was given things to do. I guess when your left socially inept and alone, after being given a life that lavishes everything upon you at your beckon call, you tend to go a bit crazy and dont know what to do with yourself!

I never had it as bad as kids in juvenile halls though, that much I do know. I have worked with many social workers and children with behavioral disorders,a nd I have seen what they go through.

staciec878
06-08-2007, 04:52 PM
Theres sooo many people who have been to jail, and not got any special treatment. I just cant believe how america is so sucked in to this Paris Hilton bullcrap. Im tired of seeing it on my local news. I want to know MY LOCAL NEWS. What I need to know. Maybe like the weather, crimes in my area. What is she famous for? A sex tape?? Because her dad?? I have no idea why I should care. I DONT!! I think this is so sad, that people focus on her. Instead of Iraq, our soliders (who actually are doing something for our country) the goverment, Global Warming. Why is america so consumed by someone who did absouletly nothing. I just dont get it. Im just mad that there are much bigger things going on in this world, but yet, all everyone seems to care about is paris hilton. I personally think this is just sick.

rubberlegs
06-08-2007, 05:54 PM
What are you talking about? Paris is MUCH more important than Cold War II. Like, duh! :dance:

freiamaya
06-08-2007, 09:20 PM
You know, when you do BAD things, don't be surprised when BAD THINGS HAPPEN TO YOU. I have no sympathy for Ms. Hilton. After being stopped while driving erratically and being charged with impaired driving, she pled no contest to a count of reckless driving and was sentenced to a number of things including alcohol counselling and lost her license to drive. She was stopped AGAIN while driving with a suspended license. She was caught a SECOND time (who knows how many times she continued to drive between her first and second stops), which landed her in the predicament that she is in. I think the sentence she received reflects her flouting of the law. Period. She felt, clearly, that when she broke the law and pled no contest (which is in effect a guilty plea), she didn't have to abide by the justice system and complete the terms of her sentence. She got caught. She got put in jail for this attitude. So no tears for Paris. Let's be glad that she didn't get smashed again and actually kill someone while out there doing whatever the heck she felt like due to her sense of entitlement.
Hey, don't forget that her bad behavior sure has paid off for her - full-time publicity, around-the-clock coverage - I predict that within 2 weeks of her release, she will be on the talk circuit flogging a book that she has "written" and will be back on the club scene, panty-less and drinking and doing who knows what else, all in the very public view of the cameras...

melekalikimaka
06-08-2007, 10:45 PM
Paris Hilton was ordered back to jail to serve the remainder of her sentence. Her attorney is so fired!

kaplods
06-09-2007, 12:02 AM
Judges have quite a bit of discretion when it comes to sentencing, so within that discretion, whatever Paris gets, is "fair" in my opinion. However, that doesn't change the fact that her sentence was probably fairly stiff, in that it is very common for most people including nonfamous people of all income levels often see their second or third DUI (including multiple violations for driving on suspended license or not following through on terms of their probation) before they see ever see jail time unless they tick off the judge. Which, in reading between the lines, Paris apparently did.

My point is why on earth does anyone care one way or another? Why is this news? Why does anyone care whether her sentence is unusually harsh or unusually lenient, when they don't care one way or the other with the "average Joe DUI" (which are in your local newspapers, if not the local news)? Even as a probation officer, I was very limited in my ability to enforce the terms of probations, even for felony aggravated battery, theft, and robbery and child sexual abuse. I've never seen anyone in as much of an uproar over the sentencing of these criminals (not so much as a letter to the editor) as whether or how Paris Hilton serves her sentence for a misdemeanor.

Huge advances in the criminal justice system could be made, it there there were half as much uproar (heck 1/10) every time a lenient sentence was reported for child abuse, spousal abuse, and other violent offenses, instead of whether or not Paris is in jail. I don't care whether she got the maximum sentence, the minimum sentence or anything in between. In the scheme of things Paris is a gnat on the criminal justice system, why does everyone seem more concerned about the gnat than the vultures?

alinnell
06-09-2007, 11:07 AM
There was quite an interesting article in the LA Times today about this.

I guess the judges are mad and the sheriffs and are using Paris as a high-profile example to get their point across. Here it is in a nutshell:

The judge hands down the sentence--the person goes to jail--the jail is overcrowded--the sheriff sends the person home early.

The judges are mad because the sentence is not being served. This one judge has decided to use Paris as a pawn (not that I really care) to make his point against the sheriffs department and their policy of early release. Although IMO it won't help because there is no money to make the jails bigger.

SoulBliss
06-09-2007, 11:29 AM
Cartoons, anyone? :lol:

http://www.cagle.com/news/ParisInPrison/main.asp

midwife
06-09-2007, 11:58 AM
I do care a great deal about DUIs both in my state and other places.

I care that over a decade ago a mother and her three daughters were slaughtered on Christmas Eve by drunk (Gordon House) who drove the wrong way on the freeway. Their father has to cope everyday with that loss.

I care that this past Fall, a family was driving home from a soccer tournament and was slaughtered by a drunk who got wasted on a plane, bought more alcohol and then chose to drive. He killed the parents and two sisters. The sister who survived has to figure out how to live without her family.

I care that every week some A$$%((^ is reported in the local news as being picked up for their third, sixth, eighth, twentieth DUI.

I care that there is a jerk at my hospital who admits to driving drunk and thinks it is no big deal.

I care about this story, not because of I give a rat's behind about Paris Hilton, but because it shows what a JOKE DUI sentencing is. There is no deterrent with sentences like this.

I believe that if someone drives drunk and kills someone, they should be charged with premeditated murder. I think the first offense should land a person in prison for 6 months, a second offense for a few years.

People who drive drunk risk the life of every man, woman and child on the road. That could be MY family.

I have a lot of patience for a lot of things, and I do work to fight domestic violence But DUI pushes my buttons in a huge way. As long as the offenders see their punishments as a joke, there is no reason to stop.

I do have to hand it to my lawmakers here. First-time (caught) offenders have to have an interlock. There are ways around it, but our lawmakers are finally paying attention. Maybe our judges will start to pay attention, too.

lilybelle
06-09-2007, 12:09 PM
midwife, my sentiments exactly. I do care. I don't care anything for ms. hilton, but I do care about drunk driving.

Last week on Oprah was a family that had lost their 7 yr. old daughter(and the limo driveer) due to their limo being hit by a drunk driver on the way home from a wedding. The mom sat on the side of the road for an hr. holding her daughter's severed head while the crews tried to extract the rest of the family from the mangled car. I called my 21 yr. old son to the living room and had him watch this with me. It was heart-wrenching and I hope it made as big of an impact on him as it did on me. Anytime he goes partying with his buddies, they pitch in on the cost of a cab to drive them home. (Yes, I've had to take him back to the club the next morning to get his car, but I'm fine with that).

freiamaya
06-09-2007, 01:00 PM
This was my point exactly. An individual caught while driving impaired, who pleads no contest (treated as a guilty plea) to reckless driving while under the influence, decides not to abide by the sentence handed down, gets caught twice flouting the court's decision, and cries all the way to jail.
Boo hoo.
Drunk/impaired driving is outrageous behaviour. Period. She had her chance to mend her ways and she blew it. I have no sympathy for impaired drivers. These people put all of us at risk. If she can't handle the jail time, she shouldn't have done the crime. Period.

cbmare
06-09-2007, 08:44 PM
midwife and lilybelle, you both said it so well.

I lost a boyfriend in HS to a drunk driver. A friend's 19 yr old daughter was hit at about 3:30 in the afternoon. She was riding her bike home from school and this guy came around the corner and knocked her I don't know how many feet into the air. She lingered for almost a week.

He was killed in the 60s, she in the 70s. The first one was in FLA and the guy got a fine. A fine! The second one was in CALIF. Calif was starting to crack down on these people in the 70s. The fact that she died resulted in a jail sentence. 6 whole months! This wasn't his first arrest for DUI either.

The laws here have gotten more stingent in the last 2 years. I'm not going to be surprised to hear or read more and more about people who have pulled what Paris did getting jail time. There are some judges in this area that aren't going to tolerate the repeat offenders.

Quite frankly, I'd like to see some of them lose their automobiles. Paris probably has 5 or 6, so she'd lose them all. The average Joe may have one and is used by the family. That would create a hardship for the family, but if they had to do without the car for a while might make them think long and hard.

We used to have a C/W bar around the corner. I liked to go and spend a couple of hours there line dancing. I would order a mixed drink in a very tall glass with a water back. I would never drink more than 2 and have 2 glasses of water with each one. (Yes, I peed a lot). I would not drive home until it had been almost an hour since my last drink. All I had to do was drive through the parking lot, turn right, go 1/4 blk, turn right and then the 2 blks to my home. I wasn't in traffic. However, I was not about to get on the streets. When this place closed, my friends and I went to another place several miles away. I would have 1 drink and wouldn't drink alcohol the rest of the evening because I had to drive several miles in traffic.

I don't want the hassle of losing my license, paying a fine, spending jail time and risking not being able to have insurance. It isn't worth it financially to me. However, the more important issue is that I don't think I could live with myself if I hurt myself for someone else because of doing something that could have been avoided.

While cabs may be expensive, they are much cheaper than the fines, possible job loss and increased insurance rates not to mention the peace of mind in knowing that nobody got hurt because of someones stupidity.

If you get more than 1 DUI within 10 years here, you have mandatory jail time. I think the next news will be about Nicole Richie. She's had 2 in less than 10 years.

Hey! That's their new show! The Simple Life - Cell Mates.

lilybelle
06-09-2007, 10:42 PM
My point is if people can afford to go partying they can afford to pay a cab for a safe ride home.

When I was 4 1/2 months pregnant with my first baby, I was hit from behind by a drunk driver. He did get out of his car, stumble over and ask if I was OK. Nothing happened to him cause he left the scene of the crash and was never found. I was sitting in my car waiting on the police and never saw his tag as he backed away. I started spotting later that night and miscarried the next day. This was one of the hardest things in my life to deal with and I still think about it sometimes.

Simple Life -Cell Mates, I love that.

EZMONEY
06-09-2007, 11:31 PM
That's the part I REALLY don't get LILYBELLE! Some of these people are worth MILLIONS! and can't afford a freakin' cab! Last week here in one of our tri-cities, Jerry Buss, owner of the Los Angeles Lakers was busted for a dui...he had a 23 yr old girl with him...me thinks he is well into his 60's+.

I will drive an hour...sometimes a little less, after one beer...after 2...no driving at all!

jules1216
06-10-2007, 08:22 AM
My daughter got sternly lectured in a Washington County Maryland court for driving 50 in a 40 after she tried to explain that she was just past the sign that changed the speed limit to 40 from 50

AFTER the judge gave three drivers with DUI's probation before judgement.

Aparently this judge believes it's okay to drive a little intoxicated as long as you don't speed.

kaplods
06-10-2007, 12:26 PM
It would be really wonderful if most, or even half of the uproar over Paris Hilton and her behavior, conviction and sentence, was really about concern over DUI penalties. Maybe I'm overly cynical, but five years as a probation officer, taught me how little anyone truly cared about changing or improving the system from the inside or the outside. I tried, I swam upstream as long as I could, trying to make a difference, and in the end I had to get out or drown. "High-profile," even in smaller towns, tend to be more about squishing a formerly important or wealthy person than care about the victims or the crime itself. We love to see people fall, especially if we have the opportunity to kick them when their down.

Paris is easy to dislike (for the life of my, I can't understand why anyone finds her interesting enough to follow or watch). My darker soul revels in the knowledge that she experienced true fear and powerlessness in those three days of jail. Evil Colleen was disappointed that she was released to home detention and overjoyed when she went back to jail. Part of me loves that she is going to serve solitary confinement for her entire sentence, and will be dissapointed that good behavior (which really means no bad behavior) will probably cut her sentence in half. If I'm honest with myself, part of me would love to see them throw away the key - but not because of her crime, but because she seems to be a spoiled, clueless brat.

When I separate all of that from the equation, I can find a little sympathy for her. Not much, certainly no more than for a squished snake on the side of the road, but enough to know that Paris-hatred has very little to do with what she did and more to do with who she is.

EZMONEY
06-10-2007, 12:52 PM
You have some very interesting thoughts here Colleen. I often think why are "we" (speaking for myself here) so fascinated by "characters" like this. Are we jealous (again speaking for me ~ :yes:)? Maybe. Do "we" REALLY want to see Paris locked up and "taken down" more severe than the norm? (again "me" ~ :no: )

I think we all agree the system ...better than any one else's...needs improvement. But as you mentioned, it probably will not change.

We have a member of our church right now in prison for driving under the influence. He hit a man on a bicycle one morning....the man died. This member had confided in me that he had a drug problem, that he was getting under control, during a "personal" one on one we had during an exercise we had for an evangelism class. He did not need to reveal this to me, we were not good friends, barely knew each other's names really. He wasn't asking for help, just shared it with me during our assignment. That was 4 years ago...the accident happened last year.

This is not a bad guy...he did a horrible thing....so sad for not only him but obviously for the victim and his family.

Yet I have spent more than enough time reading about Paris and yet I have not even sent this man a card or letter asking if there is anything I can do to comfort him through this "prison" he has given himself.

It is a strange world "we" (again ~ speaking for "me") live in.

Oh and by the way...Pastor did mention Paris in his sermon today...knew he would...always finds a way to bring the "thoughts of today" into the message. It was short... something about our focus and that she must have drug or mental issues.

Prayers for ALL victims of these issues at hand :angel:

freiamaya
06-11-2007, 12:36 AM
According to TMZ, Paris refused to eat or drink or go to the bathroom for the past 3 days because she was afraid that someone would take a cell-phone photo of her on the potty and post it on the Net.
Does anyone else remember the panty-less photos of last year? Or "A Night in Paris"?
That girl has serious problems...

kaplods
06-11-2007, 01:56 AM
The germans have a word for it. "Schadenfreude," basically meaning taking joy in other people's suffering. What's funnier than someone taking a painful shot to the groin (according to "funniest" video shows, apparently not much)?

Compassion for our friends and family and all of the "good" people is easy, it's feeling compassion for losers, nut cases, bullies, creeps, and brats that is a lot harder.

I got a chuckle (BAD Colleen) over Paris' potty fear. It definitely brings back memories of the detention home. Even kids who were behing held for horrible crimes, and seemed to have no modesty or shame whatsoever (even some who would expose themselves or worse to staff for shock value) they all were horrified to be caught on the toilet during room checks (every fifteen minutes we shined a flashlight in the cell to make sure each kid was ok).

If a kid were "caught with his pants down" so to speak, and one of the kids in an adjoining cell overheard it was big news the next day, and the kid would be teased by all of the others. We did have a few kids who were so paranoid, they would actually wet the bed rather than use the toilet (like that didn't make them bigger targets for teasing).

The sad thing is jail staff aren't particularly high paid, and with camera cell phones, someone could easily be tempted to take such a picture (I'm sure several have already received offers many times their annual salaries).

Yep, humans are pitiful.

cbmare
06-11-2007, 10:57 AM
That's terrible! It's bad enough being in jail. Well, I'm assuming it is. The only time I've seen the inside of a jail was during a field trip in the second grade.

Couldn't a corrections officer, or whatever you call them, get into trouble for taking a picture like that? Then again, if the money is what you mentioned, they probably wouldn't be looking at the big long term picture. The money right off the bat might sway them.