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justaveggie
02-16-2001, 01:44 PM
Just wondering if anyone on this board is losing weight successfully on a vegetarian lifestyle? When I was was in my teens and early twenties I was a veggie and didn't have quite the problem with my weight that I have now. I decided about three weeks ago to get back to that kind of eating and also take it up one more notch and also eliminate dairy and not just flesh. So far so good and I am also down 7 lbs. I must admit that there are lots of sites on the web for veggies but most who have sustained this lifestyle are not overweight and don't struggle as I am (I need to lose 45 lbs total). The dieting fad of the day is the low carb deal and obviously that won't work for me so here I am hanging out in house full of meat eaters looking for someone else in my situation to chat with.


Kelly_S
02-16-2001, 09:42 PM
W/W has provisions for Vegetarians as do some of the other type programs such as Food Pyramid and Selection plans. You might wanna jump down to the the W/W section for groups and I think there is a group there and their is a big following over at Dotti's place http://pub38.************/fdottisweightlosszonevegetarians

asta
02-17-2001, 02:12 AM
Hi, I am not a vegetarian, but eat very little meat. I really like veggie burgers, hummus etc. I think that I had a grilled chicken salad about 10 days ago. I am just counting calories and exercisinga and it seems to be working (down 30lbs. since Jan 1).

asta


moonbeam
02-17-2001, 10:04 PM
I've been veg for the past two years, and I've found it much easier to both lose and maintain weight on this sort of diet.

Cat

justaveggie
02-19-2001, 02:19 PM
Thanks for the website ladies. Looks like that forum is pretty active. Glad to hear from someone who has lost weight and maintained on a vegetarian plan. Do you eat dairy? I am going totally vegan because I know it is going to be healthier for me all around.

MrsJim
02-19-2001, 10:57 PM
Justaveg --

I did Dr. McDougall's Maximum Weight Loss plan a couple of times (which is about as vegan as you can get!) and lost a bunch of weight, but it is INCREDIBLY strict...no flour products, no soy products, only 2 fruits a day, of course no animal products, no fat but you can eat all the potatoes, whole grains and veggies you want (except for avocados, olives, etc). I pretty much ate the same thing every day:

Oatmeal and a banana for breakfast
Plain baked potato and small salad for lunch
Chinese veggies (no oil) and brown rice OR veggie sushi for dinner.

Plus an apple, rice cakes, or carrots when I got hungry between meals.

It's a good plan BUT again...very strict. I've pretty much been a lacto veggie since around 1992 otherwise...with some VERY occasional exceptions.

MrsJim
265/159/145

justaveggie
02-20-2001, 03:32 PM
Mrs.Jim
I think the numbers under your post represent beginning/current/goal weights so you have been very successful with your weightloss, I am eating no dairy or eggs but do have some oil and margarine and of course bread, can't live without bread but I can make it myself here at home in the machine so I know exactly what I am putting in it. So far I am really happy with the way things are going but would like to know how long it took you to lose the weight you have lost? I am going for the slow gradual loss and am not restricting myself very much. So far I have lost about 8lbs.
justaveggie

olga
02-24-2001, 09:16 PM
The Meditteranean Diet, would work very well as a vegetarian diet. Just leave out the fish and meat. I do it every year as an Easter Fast. In the orthodox religion, we have to give up meat, dairy, and my whole family lives on vegetables, fish, and bread, and fruit for the 40 days. You do feel better, and I always notice I get rid of my sinusitis, and congestion when I get rid of the dairy.
I've seen plenty of overweight Vegans. Some of them overeat too, and too many calories of any food will put the weight on.
Olga

MrsJim
02-24-2001, 10:01 PM
I love real Italian food -- especially polenta and good veggies sauteed in a bit of olive oil!

I agree I have seen a lot of overweight vegetarians, maybe even some vegans. There's plenty of high-calorie vegan foods out there. Olive oil, avocados, and certain soy foods come to mind immediately. You can also buy vegan chocolate/energy bars, etc. Don't forget that most high-sugar cereals and other products are vegan as well.

I'm not knocking vegans at all -- I've even gone completely vegan on occasion -- just pointing out that our culture has made it very easy to obtain high calorie convenience foods no matter how you eat -- and they are often promoted by their manufacturers as 'healthy' (i.e. Snackwells when they first came out -- I haven't been paying too much attention to how they are promoted now, except I have seen boxes of new Snackwells products that are labeled 'sugar-free' - does that mean NO sucrose at all or just no white sugar??? Some products are promoted as 'all natural, no sugar' then you look on the ingredients listing and it shows 'fructose' or 'natural apple/grape juice concentrate' etc. You get the picture!

MrsJim
265/155/145

THE BIG ORANGE BABE
02-24-2001, 10:51 PM
Morning,
I too would like to cut out all dairy. I'm a cheeseaholic, and I love milk but have been told that if I give up these products that within two weeks, the BLOAT wil be gone and I would be able to tell the difference.
If this is the case, I guess this means NO SOY MILK? Is there a look-a-like-product out there to use on my Uncle Sam's Cereal? I've never tried the veggie cheese...Is it tasty?
I have a wonderful recipe magazine that I got at my WW meeting called DOWN TO EARTH that has over 130 vegetarian recipes. They all look wonderful. Some contain tofu which I have tasted and DON'T LIKE...I can leave that product out and be satisfied.
I see so many products at the HFS...but which ones do I use?

MrsJim
02-24-2001, 11:27 PM
Hey Orange --

If you don't like soy milk - try rice milk! Rice Dream is a good brand - you should be able to get it at Trader Joe's or a local supermarket (they even sell it at Safeway). Try the Vanilla flavored version.

MrsJim
265/155/145

MrsJim
02-24-2001, 11:29 PM
Also to Just A Veg and others who are interested:
http://www.vegsource.com/

This is a great site with LOADS of vegan/vegetarian info!

MrsJim
265/155/145

Angelina_Meegan
02-25-2001, 02:10 AM
Hi justaveggie

I have the same problem, I decided to become a lacto-vegetarian but my fiencee eats meat and does not like vegetables, only corn. So there is meat in the house and it is difficult to stay away from it! My daughter is 4 and she does not like meat, she is a lacto-ovo-vegetarian. I cannot seem to giv eup dairy, since it is almost everything. At first my fincee, Bruce, decided to do this with me, after all he has about 100 pounds to lose, but it is hard fo rhim since he loves meat. I just do not know what to do, ever since I started eating meat I have gained 3 pounds. I know that eating meat is not something I want to do. I also do not want to eat any egg products and I found this really cool lactose free butter. Whatever I can cut I want to, why cant he just chill with the meat? Does that sound mean? He said he use to not eat meat, why does he have to now?

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MrsJim
02-25-2001, 02:40 AM
Hi Angelina -

My husband, Jim, is also a meat eater. It's in the house but it really doesn't bother me or call to me the way you would think. Jim eats vegetarian meals frequently (such as pasta, etc) but he does like his meat. That's okay, it's his choice. What I do when shopping is buy individual portions for him (such as those frozen hamburger patties, chicken breasts - he likes the Safeway ones). We have a George Foreman grill and that's what I usually use to grill his steak, fish, whatever for him. Our work has a good cafeteria so he usually eats a big lunch (with meat...)those evenings he usually just has a bowl of cereal.

My suggestion is -- make meals that you can both eat, if he insists on having his meat try to make a meal where you can add the meat separately (pasta - add meatballs; stir-fry - make the chicken or meat strips separate and add them to his portion of the rice and veggies; tacos/burritos - have dishes of lettuce, tomatoes, rice, beans, salsa, etc along with a bowl of seasoned meat and some warm tortillas - everybody makes their own at the table and can add what they wish!) Just a few examples.

MrsJim
265/155/145

PS - for a hearty vegetarian dish, check the 'food' thread...I posted a great veggie enchilada recipe there -- easy, nutritious and VERY filling!! Even your carnivore should be satisfied with it!

[This message has been edited by MrsJim (edited 02-24-2001).]

Angelina_Meegan
02-26-2001, 12:21 AM
Thank you! You know after I worte that message I felt better, it was like I just had to blow off some steam, and then I realized it is not him, it is me! I want to avoid meats, I can do that .. just because they are in the house does not mean that I have to eat them. I can make stir fry or potatos with veggies .. there are plenty of things for me to have even if he does not like it and then we both win! Thank you so much! and thank you for hte recipes, I am going there now!!

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justaveggie
02-26-2001, 03:16 PM
I've been completely vegan for around a month and a half (I know not long)in a house full of meat eaters (dh and 2 kids). So far things are working out ok. My goal is not just to be vegan but to be vegan with a lot less oil. I bake my own bread (I have a machine)with some recipes tha include milk or butter or oil in only small amounts. Also I don't do tofu because it seems the only way to make it taste is to fry it in olive oil and what is the point in that. Other wise at dinner I cook what is normal for us to eat, meat, pasta, rice, veggies and I just don't eat the meat. We rarely ate meat mixed in with other things since no one here really likes their food mixed (like casseroles an exception would be mexican food) so I just make a bigger portion of vegetables and substitute them for the meat I used to eat. All in all I think this is working out for me right now. I am not tempted by the meat at all since I picture all of the fat in it. Since starting this topic I have heard from other vegans who say they are overweight but they are all eating lots of things like dairy and poptarts and that sort of thing. I am trying to make my life more healthy all around so I avoid all that boxed stuff.

179/171/135

Angelina_Meegan
02-27-2001, 01:42 AM
Yeah, I want to stay away from oil, I do not have oil in the house I use fat free cooking spray to cook with and I do not eat egg products and try to stay away from dairy as much as possible. I want to try rice milk, have you tried it? I do not eat cheese, or cottage cheese. I do not htink I eat that much dairy. My butter is lactose free, and fat free.

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MrsJim
02-27-2001, 02:06 AM
Hey you guys!

As you probably know, people who say they eat dairy are not vegans, rather they are lacto-vegetarians. Egg-eating veggies are ovo-vegetarians. I'm more of a lacto-ovo.

My hubby is also a Pop Tarts addict -- I stay away from those things -- besides when I was a kid, I preferred Toastems myself!

Rice milk - try Rice Dream - that's a good one. Trader Joes' usually has it at a good price - I'd start with the Vanilla flavor (tastes good on cereal too). Imagine Foods, the manufacturers of Rice Dream also makes vegan puddings and frozen desserts that are good too (however, don't ask me about the calorie count...I'm not sure as it has been awhile!)

MrsJim
265/155/145

moonbeam
02-27-2001, 04:39 AM
justaveggie- it sounds like you might not be getting enough protein. Try substituting beans for the meat occaisionally, as opposed to just eating around it. Beans are tasty, low-fat, and full of fiber. And as a college student, I find their most attractive feature to be that they are cheap, cheap, cheap!

Cat

justaveggie
02-27-2001, 04:26 PM
Angelina- I use rice milk. I prefer the plain to the vanilla though. Not sure why except sometimes the vanilla is just a little too sweet I think
Moonbeam-Actually I do make a concious effort to eat some sort of protien every day weather it is beans in soup or a burrito or some great soy protein products. Something that I did worry about is calcium but I am using a supplement so I think i'm ok there. Anyone come up with other things I might be missing in my diet post away!!!! Are you a vegan moonbeam??? If so any tips you might have would be great.

MrsJim
02-27-2001, 09:58 PM
Just A veg - you would be totally amazed at how many veggies have calcium in them! If you haven't already done so, I would highly recommend John Robbins' book "Diet for a New America". It's not a diet in the sense of losing weight - more for better health. This is the book I read in 1992 that made me decide to live a vegetarian lifestyle!

MrsJim
265/155/145

justaveggie
02-28-2001, 03:07 PM
Thanks, I'll put it on my library list. I know that there are lots of foods that contain calcium but that is a nutrient that I worry about since the women on both sides of my family are all really stooped over.

Gypsy Rose
02-28-2001, 08:35 PM
Hi,
I've been veggie for about 11 years (that sounds such a long time when you put it that way!), and I have always struggled with my weight. I thought that becoming veggie would help it to come off, but it didn't quite happen that way...
Never mind, it's never too late to do something about it!
The Italian diet sounds like a good idea - giving up all dairy etc for lent. I think that I might try it, but I don't know if I will be able to steer clear of cheese for that long...
Good luck to you all, sounds like you are doing really well and have lots of good ideas.
Gypsy Rosex

justaveggie
03-01-2001, 02:59 PM
Gypsey- Do you think you struggle with your weight because of dairy? I think that for me a huge problem was the dairy I was eating in the form of ice creams, cheeses and that sort of thing. I just could never stop with a little and found that if I had any that I would just crave more. That is why I am eliminating them from my diet.

MrsJim
03-01-2001, 09:59 PM
Hey Veg -

My husband has cut way back on his dairy, but not for weight loss (typical guy- doesn't think too much about it!). He has a deviated septum, so his sinuses are always bugging him, that along with his seasonal allergies. He's found that cutting back on his dairy has helped his sinuses a lot! (he says NO WAY is he getting the surgery after finding out what it entails.)

Most of our daily dairy comes from the skim milk we use on our cereal and I also buy a lot of light sugar free yogurt as well.

MrsJim
265/155/145

justaveggie
03-02-2001, 04:41 PM
Mrs.Jim- Skim milk is great in the states, no fat and all that but over here the milk they sell in the commissary is 1% I think but they call it skim so you are still getting that fat in it. As for shopping on the German economy for milk well they don't drink the same sort of thing. There's is like a shelf milk deal. Plus the whole cow thing has me a bit freaked. There is just too much unknown about what the heck is going on.

food for thought
03-13-2001, 02:46 AM
This is a great message board. I really like vegatarian lifestyles, but have trouble being vegan. On the one hand I 'm tired of meat and the quality I see in stores on the other hand I used to be on the McDougall Plan but I was always hungry. I know dairy definately has an effect on weight. One time I had some pretty bad allergies and was forced to cut out dairy and I lost 30lbs in one month. After having gone back I'm now 225 and feel really depressed about my weight. I would love to find some decent soy cheeses, but they all have milk in them. Do vegans have alot of hunger or does that subside over time?

justaveggie
03-13-2001, 06:48 AM
As far as feeling hungry, I never felt really any more hungry on a vegan diet than I have experienced on a low cal/low fat plan. If anything I feel more like I am able to go ahead and have a little more to eat if I am feeling hungry. I am trying not to eat crackers or other starchy foods when I am eating extra, I stick to veggies or fruits.

Phoebe
03-13-2001, 07:31 AM
Hello everyone, what an interesting thread. I have been ovo-vegetarian since I was 12 years old (20 years, ugh) but need to lose about 43 pounds. I have been struggling with losing 43 pounds for about a year, after having lost nearly 70. Someone told me to cut out cheese and that would help but I love cheese and view it as a valuable source of protein.

food for thought - I was amazed that you had lost 30 pounds in one month by cutting out dairy.

Does anyone else have any experience of kick starting a weight loss by cutting out dairy products, or more specifically cheese? I only eat eggs occasionally and have very little milk, just some skim on cereal a few days a week.

Phoebe :)