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weigh2much
03-26-2007, 12:50 PM
Does anyone here use coconut oil to improve health/lose weight? I read that 3 tbsp of oil everyday will do wonders, as it's a different kind of oil.


Beach Patrol
03-26-2007, 12:54 PM
weigh2much:

there is no such thing as "wonders" when talking weight loss. There is only sensible dieting & exercise. There are hundreds of quick weight loss schemes out there that MAY take off some pounds, but I promise you, unless you learn to eat healthier & find some sort of exercise that you enjoy, you will never lose the weight & keep it off.

PLEASE ....TRUST ME ON THIS. I know it's not what you wanted to hear, but it's the truth. :^:

mandalinn82
03-26-2007, 01:04 PM
There are 352 calories in 3 tbsp of coconut oil. Given that weight loss pretty much always comes down to calories in vs. calories out, regardless of the plan (Studies of Atkins, South Beach, etc have all pretty much shown that the people who lose weight on those plans are reducing their calorie intake, resulting in the weight loss, though there are different health reasons and other reasons that people choose different plans), i would guess that coconut oil in that big of a quantity would seriously impair your losses.

There are about 3500 calories in one lb of fat. If you did nothing more than add the coconut oil into your diet, thats the equivalent of a full pound every 10 days! Seems like using that much coconut oil every day would be somewhat of a disaster for your waistline.


Suzanne 3FC
03-26-2007, 01:58 PM
The websites that promote coconut oil for health benefits conveniently have a financial stake in the business. I've not found recommendations for it on any unbiased, medical website. Most still say to avoid it. There is very little truth to the claims, and the cons seem to outweigh the pros by a longshot.

Even Dr. Weil, who is widely known for promoting natural health care, doesn't recommend it.

It makes a very good base for soaps and creams, though :beach:

weigh2much
03-26-2007, 03:16 PM
Hmmm...Interesting! I may have to stop using it, or finish it off and then not buy any more. Thanks! :)

nelie
03-26-2007, 03:30 PM
you can use it externally if you don't want to waste it. I have heard it is a good moisturizer.

Puncezilla
03-26-2007, 03:38 PM
I don't know where you got your info from but I looked into this b/c I have hypothyroid I havent tryed it yet but here is an article I found and I think this guy isn't selling anything . http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/coconut-oil.shtml I have read this other places as well. and IMHO I don't think there is any harm in using it if you are substituting it for other oils and not just adding it ontop of your regular calorie intake.

AquaWarlock
03-26-2007, 04:28 PM
I have read this other places as well. and IMHO I don't think there is any harm in using it if you are substituting it for other oils and not just adding it ontop of your regular calorie intake.

Actually tropical oils like coconut and palm are tend to be higher in saturated fats, the bad kind that clogs up the arteries -- thus I wouldn't even want to substitute liquid vegetable oils with these kinds. For cooking, whenever possible and in moderation, I'd use olive & canola oils, which has more poly- and mono- unsaturated fats that can be beneficial (again, as long as one doesn't overdo it.)

avsfan2
03-26-2007, 05:47 PM
I used coconut oil on a very regular basis and really love it! I am not going to go into all the arguments as I will get totally blasted, I'm sure, but there is nothing unhealthy about coconut oil! Saturated fat does not clog arteries. Hydrogenated oil does. I use 3 oils only...coconut oil, cold-pressed olive oil and butter! From my reading (and I've done it extensively) these are the 3 healthiest fats. I use them regularly and am still losing weight.

avsfan2
03-26-2007, 05:51 PM
Oh, forgot to mention, read the book "Real Food: What to Eat and Why" as it will offer some insight on coconut oil and the other fats I mentioned. This woman doesn't sell coconut oil and has done a lot of research on healthy fats. It's an interesting read. There entire book book is very insightful, in my opinion.

mandalinn82
03-26-2007, 05:51 PM
just to clarify - i was not saying that coconut oil was unhealthy...just that eating 350 cals of it a day isn't going to help your weight loss efforts.

jillybean720
03-26-2007, 06:01 PM
but doesn't saturated fat increase your cholesterol? I'm not tring to argue--just trying to ask an honest question.

FWIW, when I do add any fat to my cooking (which is very rare-- I just don't miss it when it's not there), I use macadmia nut oil, which is 80% monounsaturated fat. I don't use it for any magical weight loss properties--rather, I use it because I've read that it's very good for you, and I like the way it tastes.

JayEll
03-26-2007, 06:05 PM
I would like to point out that the native Hawaiians ate coconuts and used coconut oil and palm oil a LOT, and many of them were very fat (which was considered beautiful in that culture), but these people didn't develop heart disease until they adopted the typical Western diet. Same with Eskimos of the far north, who mostly ate animal blubber. It's not the fats, it's something else... I don't know what, though.

I love coconut and coconut milk, but the calories are WAY over the top, so I have to limit my indulgence in Thai food, for example.

Jay

Puncezilla
03-26-2007, 06:17 PM
Avsfan2 I agree with you 100% .
Not all saturated fats are bad for you. dietary saturated fats in moderation won't cause high colesteol.

Suzanne 3FC
03-26-2007, 06:29 PM
Saturated fat does not clog arteries. Hydrogenated oil does.


Hydrogenated oils clog arteries faster, but saturated fats DO clog them as well. The American Heart Association suggests strict limits on saturated fats. They used to recommend no more than 10% of your daily calories come from saturated fats, but they are currently revising them to lower it further to 7%. This includes saturated fats such as coconut oil.


As mentioned before, the cons outweigh the pros. There's no valid reason for adding it to the diet. I enjoy foods that contain coconut milk or cream as an ingredient, like JayEll mentioned, but would I buy a jar of coconut oil and intentionally put it in my body? Never. I'm 45 years old, I have a heart condition, and really am tired of doing bad things to my body. If I believed there was any benefit to it, I would take it. I believe it would do more harm than good.

Coconut oil and other tropical oils may not be equally as bad for you as beef fat, but what you are looking at is the lesser of two evils. And as Jerry Garcia once said - Choosing the lesser of two evils is still choosing evil :lol:

Justme33
03-26-2007, 07:20 PM
I like coconut oil...BUT only use it for my skin and hair...(FANTASTIC!!!) On a rare occasion I may use a little in popcorn machine (1 tbs or 2 a couple times a year) There is just TOO many conflicting info about coconut oil and for the time being I'll just stick to it for hair and body...

AquaWarlock
03-26-2007, 07:58 PM
I used coconut oil on a very regular basis and really love it! I am not going to go into all the arguments as I will get totally blasted, I'm sure, but there is nothing unhealthy about coconut oil! Saturated fat does not clog arteries. Hydrogenated oil does. I use 3 oils only...coconut oil, cold-pressed olive oil and butter! From my reading (and I've done it extensively) these are the 3 healthiest fats. I use them regularly and am still losing weight.

Saturated fat does clog arteries and raise LDL (bad) cholesterol levels, not as extreme as the trans fat found in hydrogenated oils but they still do. Comparatively, I'd favor butter over margarine too due to the trans fat, but I try to avoid saturated fats whenever possible too, unless I'm indulging in a nice piece 'o meat/dairy :) --

nelie
03-26-2007, 09:39 PM
There are a few books out that promote the use of coconut and coconut oil. Do they have any real reason or are they just a new twist on the same thing? Who knows.

I'm also almost amazed at how new fads are being twisted into looking at different cultures. "Look! This culture has a lot of skinny people, they seem to live long, they <eat or drink this> so maybe we should too!"

My one example would be when I went to China, I didn't see anyone fat in the outlying cities, not even chubby. They ate smaller portions of food, they didn't eat much meat and they exercised a lot! Of course you see green tea emphasized everywhere with such promotions as "they are skinny, you will be too using this".

Sure you see visions of beautiful young tahitian girls and think coconut oil must be their secret, right? Well, Polynesians in general come in a mix of body sizes, so you may see the incredibly fit ones in pictures but that isn't the entire story. It really is a mix of different lifestyle characteristics as well as genetics. This came to mind after reading the link where the guy mentioned someone who looked good at an older age and used coconut oil. Those stories are pretty laughable considering it is a single aspect in a lifestyle. A single aspect won't make you fat or skinny, it is multiple put together.

Anyway, if you like coconut oil, use it but I'd still use it sparingly. Honestly, I use most oils sparingly. I think I get quite a bit of fats from just my daily eating, I don't really need to add much extra fat into my diet. I too prefer butter over margarine but I eat something with butter in it about once a month. I like olive oil a lot but still that is pretty rare.

avsfan2
03-27-2007, 01:54 PM
Forgive me for sounding pesimistic, but I don't particularly thing that what the American Heart Association has to say is pure truth. I have made several dietary changes over the last several months which include a LOT more fat (including saturated), a ton of veggies, a lot of free range, grass fed beef and free range poultry, eggs, etc. I've lost 10 pounds since the changes and dropped 10 points off my cholesterol. We are each our own science experiment, I suppose, and what I am doing is working for me and my health and my energy levels.

Pretend, for a minute, that all these scientific studies don't exist. All we have to go by is common sense and history. If that was the case, I think we'd all be a lot better off. I don't think many of you could argue that eating beef (which has saturated animal fats) is something that is "new" to our society. People have been eating animals for 100's and 100's of years. Our great grandparents ate more organ meats which are filled with higher amounts of fats. Yet, the first recorded heart attack in our country was in 1912. Coincidentally (or not), one year after Crisco (hydrogenated mainstream food) hit the market. Interesting.

I am not trying to attack anyone here but it kills me how people can so willingly forget history for a modern day study or two that was probably funded by the very folks who have a stake in the outcome of that study. I get really angry when people say "I don't believe coconut oil is good for you because everybody who says that is selling something." Give me a freaking break. EVERYONE is trying to sell you something. Do you think those who say Canola oil is good for you aren't trying to sell you canola oil???? I wonder how many studies they've funded that say canola oil is healthy. Follow the money. At least, in this case, with coconut oil I can follow history. People have been using it for WELL longer then canola oil. I'd rather have some organic, cold pressed SATURATED FAT coconut oil that's been around for hundreds of years over genetically modified, overheated (i.e. oxidized), pesticide filled rapeseed oil that we've only been consuming since the 1950's (and heart disease has only gotten worse since then). Now, I'm not "blaming" canola oil for heart disease by any means. I think there are a lot of factors that contribute.

Your body is your own. Do what you feel best doing with it. For many years I didn't listen to my body. Know where that got me? Fat. Now I'm listening and the weight is dropping and my energy is soaring. I'm not perfect. I have my moments. I eat "bad" things. I'm human. I make mistakes. I just really encourage everyone who is so ready to attack what I am doing (or what another poster is considering doing) to take a quick look outside of the box and you may be interested in what you find out there that you think is "healthy" because some big organization told you it was but really isn't so.

nelie
03-27-2007, 03:54 PM
There is no disputing that our country's health (and others with westernized diets) is declining rapidly. Yes, heart disease and heart attacks weren't all that common before the 20th century. You have to also remember that we had a lot more manual labor, people walked everywhere or maybe used a bicycle and they didn't eat lots of processed foods. There was no soda to drink, there were no chips to be eaten, there was no McDonald's around the corner, etc.

Personally, since I've experienced it myself a bit, I think the lack of activity is one of our biggest downfalls followed secondly by our poor diet.

Suzanne 3FC
03-27-2007, 05:21 PM
I read an article yesterday that said hydrogenated oils only became popular in response to the growing health problems that had been attributed to increased use of saturated fats from tropical oils. I remember back when we were advised to read the labels and avoid products with tropical oils. So the industry looked for an alternative and thought hydrogenated oils were the answer. It was later discovered that this was not the solution, of course.

What's wrong with using olive oil? There's no controversy there.

mandalinn82
03-27-2007, 05:43 PM
Suzanne - exactly! cooking without much added oil, and using a controversy-free oil when you do need a little bit of oil, works really well!

Whether or not you believe the AHA, or other big organizations, it seems prudent to try to avoid things that the jury is still out on, and embrace the things that have been shown via clinical study to have positive or neutral health effects.

Puncezilla
03-28-2007, 02:14 PM
This is pretty much exactly how I feel about it, I think low fat diet are unhealthy your body needs fat for so many things. Forgive me for sounding pesimistic, but I don't particularly thing that what the American Heart Association has to say is pure truth. I have made several dietary changes over the last several months which include a LOT more fat (including saturated), a ton of veggies, a lot of free range, grass fed beef and free range poultry, eggs, etc. I've lost 10 pounds since the changes and dropped 10 points off my cholesterol. We are each our own science experiment, I suppose, and what I am doing is working for me and my health and my energy levels.

Pretend, for a minute, that all these scientific studies don't exist. All we have to go by is common sense and history. If that was the case, I think we'd all be a lot better off. I don't think many of you could argue that eating beef (which has saturated animal fats) is something that is "new" to our society. People have been eating animals for 100's and 100's of years. Our great grandparents ate more organ meats which are filled with higher amounts of fats. Yet, the first recorded heart attack in our country was in 1912. Coincidentally (or not), one year after Crisco (hydrogenated mainstream food) hit the market. Interesting.

I am not trying to attack anyone here but it kills me how people can so willingly forget history for a modern day study or two that was probably funded by the very folks who have a stake in the outcome of that study. I get really angry when people say "I don't believe coconut oil is good for you because everybody who says that is selling something." Give me a freaking break. EVERYONE is trying to sell you something. Do you think those who say Canola oil is good for you aren't trying to sell you canola oil???? I wonder how many studies they've funded that say canola oil is healthy. Follow the money. At least, in this case, with coconut oil I can follow history. People have been using it for WELL longer then canola oil. I'd rather have some organic, cold pressed SATURATED FAT coconut oil that's been around for hundreds of years over genetically modified, overheated (i.e. oxidized), pesticide filled rapeseed oil that we've only been consuming since the 1950's (and heart disease has only gotten worse since then). Now, I'm not "blaming" canola oil for heart disease by any means. I think there are a lot of factors that contribute.

Your body is your own. Do what you feel best doing with it. For many years I didn't listen to my body. Know where that got me? Fat. Now I'm listening and the weight is dropping and my energy is soaring. I'm not perfect. I have my moments. I eat "bad" things. I'm human. I make mistakes. I just really encourage everyone who is so ready to attack what I am doing (or what another poster is considering doing) to take a quick look outside of the box and you may be interested in what you find out there that you think is "healthy" because some big organization told you it was but really isn't so.