General chatter - Pet food recall after some dog/cat deaths




cbmare
03-16-2007, 05:29 PM
Please read the following article if you bought petfood under the Walmart, Safeway, Kroger and PetSmart labels. It appears to be wet food.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070316/ap_on_bi_ge/pet_food_recall


Get n healthy
03-16-2007, 10:05 PM
Wow, thanks for posting that. I dont feed my dogs that, but it is always good to know of recalls. That is crazy that they cant determine" what the problem is. Geeze.
I NEVER trust the genaric brands anyway as being healthy for my dogs, but for them to die of kidney failure is terrible. I really find it hard to believe that they dont know what is causing it.

EZMONEY
03-16-2007, 10:32 PM
Thanks for the post Mare ~ I don't feed my goldens that but I sure would be happy you posted if I did!


royalsfan1
03-16-2007, 10:42 PM
Wow, thanks for posting that. I dont feed my dogs that, but it is always good to know of recalls. That is crazy that they cant determine" what the problem is. Geeze.
I NEVER trust the genaric brands anyway as being healthy for my dogs, but for them to die of kidney failure is terrible. I really find it hard to believe that they dont know what is causing it.

I wouldn't consider Iams and Eukanuba generics....

Stepping Out
03-17-2007, 02:41 AM
BJ's Wholesale has also recalled pig ears due to Salmonella poisoning :(

GatorgalstuckinGA
03-17-2007, 08:19 AM
agrees with royal...iams and eukanuba aren't generics...its a pretty good brand name. But luckily they've got a recall.

LLV
03-18-2007, 11:07 AM
Here is a complete list of the recalled foods. Many of these are NOT generic. Many of them are top-selling expensive brands, including Nutro.

http://www.menufoods.com/recall/product_dog.html

almostheaven
03-19-2007, 02:12 PM
Well my daughter feeds her dog canned foods, so we checked and the ones she has are on the list...Ol' Roy. She's been trying to reach Menu Foods because the UPCs match their list but the expiration dates are slightly off. So she's not sure. BUT...she IS asking the vet today when she picks up her dog to see if this may be the reason why the dog just underwent surgery because of problems with her kidneys and stones. If they say the food could be a direct cause, she may be able to get her $450 vet bill paid.

ksk571
03-19-2007, 02:30 PM
I hope your daughter's dog is okay! :hug:

nelie
03-19-2007, 02:31 PM
I had heard that they suspect the problem has to do with the wheat gluten but they aren't sure? They based the recall on the dates related to the wheat gluten thing.

To be safe, I'd throw it all out until they know for sure the reason. Better yet, switch brands for a while.

kaplods
03-19-2007, 04:02 PM
If you have ever worked, or known someone who has worked, in food processing plants (for animals or humans) you quickly find out that the only difference between generic and name brand is usually the label.

We lived near a DelMonte canning plant, and I remember a friend who worked there talking about the ketchup they were making for quite a few store and name brands. The labels and sometimes bottles changed, but only one or two had any seasoning differences (the name brand company would provide huge bags of "secret" spices to stir into the ketchup base right before it was bottled - so the difference wasn't even "cooked in").

Poisonings, contaminations, processing errors.... have always happened, but if it happens in someone's kitchen the impact is usually very small, a few family members, a church picnic.... Unfortunately the way we process food now, it is in such humongous batches, and to provide food across the country if not the world, that thousands or even millions are affected when something goes wrong.

The overall risk is actually usually much smaller than eating from "home kitchens", but because so many are impacted in one fell swoop, it can set off a panic. It's sort of like knowing that the risk of flying is actually much lower than of riding in a car, but our perception is that flying is riskier because the news coverage is always so much more dramatic.

almostheaven
03-19-2007, 07:12 PM
The dog's fine now. She underwent the surgery about a week ago, but the vet had to keep her awhile after the surgery. So my daughter picked her back up today.

GatorgalstuckinGA
03-20-2007, 09:59 PM
i've been dealing with this whole recall food all day. I think we have our first case in our clinic a 7 month old cat that is in kidney failure and was being fed one of the foods. So far from what my boss and i can find on the vet networks, the kidney failure is reversable if caught soon enough. I've been doing a bunch of exams and blood panels to check for any issues today. We have been crazy with the phone calls today...but at least owners are concerned.

royalsfan1
03-20-2007, 10:11 PM
I used to be a chemist in the pet food industry and kaplods is absolutely correct. In pet food, different brands may have different formulas or "recipes", if you will, but they use all the same ingredients...from the same ingredient bins...and they are processed on the same equipment. That is why there are so many different labels involved in the recall. Also, they recall MUCH more product than they actually think is affected...going way out on dates on either side of where they think the problem may be...just to be safe. Lastly, if I had to guess, (and I'm glad I don't! haha I don't envy them this!!!) I would say that the contamination is chemical...and not related to the gluten. Unless, it was the gluten that came in contaminated (ie, pesticides or fog treatments...they do that a lot in rail yards to keep bugs down). Best bet....check labels carefully, the stores may not have been completely diligent in getting all the recalled product off the shelves. Also, keep trying to get in touch with Menu. I guarantee they're there....and they are just being flooded with calls. I survived 1 recall during my stint in the industry and it was MURDER!!! I really feel for those poor folks right now.

GatorgalstuckinGA
03-20-2007, 10:20 PM
agrees with royal fan...me and the other dr were talking about the causes...we both agree its not the wheat gluten since usually wheat issues (aflotoxins) cause liver issues NOt kidney issues. All they are seeing is kidney problems. We're both thinking toxins also..weather its a chemical that was sprayed on the wheat or something that got mixed in???? but the wheat glutten bull crap just isn't flying with me, since there aren't liver issues related with this right now.

royalsfan1
03-20-2007, 11:16 PM
agrees with royal fan...me and the other dr were talking about the causes...we both agree its not the wheat gluten since usually wheat issues (aflotoxins) cause liver issues NOt kidney issues. All they are seeing is kidney problems. We're both thinking toxins also..weather its a chemical that was sprayed on the wheat or something that got mixed in???? but the wheat glutten bull crap just isn't flying with me, since there aren't liver issues related with this right now.

Exactly! And even aflatoxins aren't really common in wheat products...but more associated with corn. Fumonisons affect wheat a little more often but are more of a problem for horses and livestock than house pets. Also, those mold toxins would be more likely to appear in the summer or fall, after storing the grain in a hot and humid silo.

I think that they just started looking for what changes they made and that supplier change seemed to stand out to them. I'm eager to see what they find out when it's all said and done. I hope they let us know!

GatorgalstuckinGA
03-21-2007, 10:07 AM
i think right now the company is very hush hush...they are getting all the lawyers in order. can you say LAWSUIT! oh trust me...its going to happen and happen big...there have been numerous animals in our area that have died already. We'll just have to wait and see.

royalsfan1
03-21-2007, 10:34 AM
i think right now the company is very hush hush...they are getting all the lawyers in order. can you say LAWSUIT! oh trust me...its going to happen and happen big...there have been numerous animals in our area that have died already. We'll just have to wait and see.

Absolutely! We live in a VERY litigious society If they're smart they'll do what we did...and pay off each person individually...rather than tick them all off and get a big class action. Of course, there were some that went the legal route...but for the most part the people took what was offered to them because it was fair, because we were apologetic, because we accepted fault, and because, more than anything, we knew how much they had truly lost. People really just want someone to say "I get it...this was your pet and you loved it very much." Money can't replace the animals and so that isn't what is driving most people, I think (and hope....I want to see the best in people). They just want some accountability and many times with big companies you feel like the only way to get them is in the pocketbook. All that said mainly to say...if they're smart they'll own it and try to make some sort of reparation. We even paid people we KNEW weren't affected by recall...had autopsy proof that animals died from other causes....but wanted to avoid the negative publicity and hassle.

EZMONEY
03-21-2007, 03:46 PM
My heart goes out to all of those who have lost their pets :cry:

GatorgalstuckinGA
03-21-2007, 04:09 PM
I too feel bad for all those who lost their pets. I can't imagine. We have several in our clinic right now, but luckily it was caught soon enough and the animals seem to be responding wonderfully to fluid therapy. But i've heard so many stories in the past week. It's just sad. And no amount of money will replace a pet. But i agree with royal...if they at least own up to it...that's what really matters.

marbleflys
03-21-2007, 04:34 PM
I fed my Maine Coones a few packets (i bought maybe 5-6 of the liver/chicken at Walmart) of Special Kitty Select about 2 weeks ago, when I read the list, I freaked......but my boys are perfectly fine (thankyouGod), the only thing I got was a solitary Hairball saturday....I've been watching them and checking the litterbox for irregularities....but they seem to have no issues, leaping to the top of fridge, counter ---no lethargy--anxious for feeding time, still taking a bath in the water dishes too.

as a rule, I usually feed canned friskies & fancy feast and now they are eating Whiskas packets.....and my dry food is Purina One, (but I limit the dry as one cat is prone to UTI's)...I always add a little water to the wet food too.

When I watched the news last night, (Fox) they were saying it could take a month to show symptoms, so I'm still worried.

techwife
03-22-2007, 05:35 PM
Okay...my cats have eaten the effected food...what are the symptoms I should be looking for?

GatorgalstuckinGA
03-22-2007, 05:46 PM
there are many different symptoms...what i'm telling my clients is bring you cat in for blood draw to rule out kidney failure (the problem being caused by the tainted food). Sings include lethargy, vomiting, increase urination and thirst, diarrhea...any of the above. I had a cat yesterday that was eating it and looked normal, but owner was worried and brought it in. There were already kidney changes, increase values on blood sample. So started on fluids and it did great. I've essentially told all my clients..if you were feeding the food and worried...bring them in for blood work.

meowee
03-22-2007, 05:52 PM
Two of my cats have had some of the Special Kitty packets and I just printed off the 8 page list of packet dates involved so I can go check the 2 or 3 boxes of the stuff I have left. Anyway, they haven't had any since the news first broke.

One has thrown up a couple of times but is far from lethargic . . . I nicknamed her 'squirrel girl' because she runs around like a demented squirrel most of the time. The other one is diabetic and somewhat lethargic because of that, but I haven't noticed any difference in his behaviour or other 'habits'. My third one only likes dry food; so no problem there.

Someone posted the recall list website for dog food back on page one . . . here is the general recall website for anyone who missed it . . . http://www.menufoods.com/recall/index.html . . . since we are dealing with more than just dog food. You can get to any of the food lists from there and can also read their 'official' press-release.

meowee
03-22-2007, 06:31 PM
Okay . . . all four types of the Special Kitty pouch foods I have are definitely ON the recall list . . . the other four kinds that I bought about the same time and used all of were probably on the list too . . . but I no longer have the empty pouches to use for verification.:( :mad:

Will let you guys know if my cats develop any further symptoms . . . it's now been about 6 days since they had any of the food.

cbmare
03-23-2007, 01:58 PM
When I posted this, I didn't realize how monumental this would become! I'm glad we feed our kitty dry food. However, since she is on hyperthyroid meds, we use pill pockets for her pill twice per day. Then we give her a treat. She likes Greenies. I contacted them, or at least sent an email from Max the Cat, and they quickly responded that they don't use Menu Foods. They manufacture their own. We have another one from Friskies. I don't think the treats package is on the list but will double check.

This is really sad.

trekkiegirl
03-23-2007, 04:20 PM
They're saying now that it's rat poison, probably sprayed on the wheat.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17754681/wid/11915773?GT1=9145

I feel so badly for those poor animals and their owners. I don't buy any of those cat foods, thank goodness, but I've been hugging my kitty extra hard lately. :^: Bogie will be 15 in a couple of weeks. :smug:

cbmare
03-23-2007, 05:39 PM
They're saying now that it's rat poison, probably sprayed on the wheat.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17754681/wid/11915773?GT1=9145

I feel so badly for those poor animals and their owners. I don't buy any of those cat foods, thank goodness, but I've been hugging my kitty extra hard lately. :^: Bogie will be 15 in a couple of weeks. :smug:

You didn't name your kitty "Spock"? :D

Mrs Quadcrew
03-23-2007, 05:58 PM
The thing that really upsets me about this is that they fed the food they KNEW was contaminated to 50 more animals on purpose to see what would happen.....and 7 of them have since died. That is just WRONG.

We have a good friend who's cat is affected by this, it is his deceased wife's cat and he is just beside himself.

We have always used Iams and Eukanuba products, and I am thankful that we use the dry right now.

Our prayers are with all the people whos animals are sick right now.

trekkiegirl
03-23-2007, 06:13 PM
You didn't name your kitty "Spock"?

Nope...although, maybe I should I have, considering his ears. :p

Actually, I named him after Humphrey Bogart. :)

cbmare
03-23-2007, 06:37 PM
Nope...although, maybe I should I have, considering his ears. :p

Actually, I named him after Humphrey Bogart. :)

I figured that was where you got "Bogie". I almost asked if you had another one named "Bacall". ;)

Then again, you could name another kitty "Data Spot". :p

SeekingBliss
03-23-2007, 07:52 PM
As of eight hours ago it was rat posion in the food. Here's a link to an article stating that. http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/17754681/
How awful for those poor owners. i give my cats and dog dry food but still how scary.