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Cheryl14
01-29-2007, 05:40 PM
Hi All!

My husband and I are meat lovers, but we have been eating less red meat over the last few years. We still have plenty of chicken and turkey and an occasional piece of pork.

I was raised vegetarian but really had no trouble getting used to meat once I met my boyfriend (now my husband) whose family were BIG meat eaters.

My weight gain began when I married and ended up doing all the cooking. I'm wondering how many of the pounds went on because I began to eat meat.

Conversely, I'm wondering if by eating even LESS meat than I do now if losing weight will happen faster for me. It seems like a good idea, but I don't know if I can ever go back to being a vegetarian!

For those of you who follow my Plateau Plight (210 pounds for forever it seems!), I have lost a pound FINALLY and am trying to think of as many things as I can that may help me break through my plateau even more!

Any ideas?

Cheryl


rockinrobin
01-29-2007, 05:55 PM
Cheryl are you considering giving up the meat because you are tired of it or because you thinK it will aid in your weightloss? And by meat, do you mean chicken and pork as well? What about fish?

I very rarely eat red meat, it was never a favorite of mine. Although my family loves it. I eat white meat chicken probably 5 or 6 times a week. It can't be beat as far as protein/carb/fat/calorie ratio. It is super high in protein and fairly low on the rest of the stuff. There is so much you can do with it and I enjoy it. For me it is a near perfect food.

If you don't eat meat, what will you eat in its place? I think that could be key.

As far as busting your plateau, I'm wondering how many calories you were/are consuming. Do you count calories? Maybe you can give us a typical menu of yours. We'd love to help you out and see where you can tweak it a bit.

CyberGypsy
01-29-2007, 07:39 PM
I have giving up all red meat, and now thinking of poultry, I just feel so much better eating grains, beans and veggies........Might cut out all meat soon.....and stick with tofu and veggie burgers..... I cant tell you how much better....Meatless :)


Cheryl14
01-29-2007, 08:25 PM
Hi Robin!

I LOVE all kinds of meat but am wondering if just eating LESS of it will help me to lose more weight.

I don't have a "typical" meal plan, but here's what I had to eat today and the exercise I did:


Shoveled walkway and driveway and scraped ice and snow off three cars (one hour total)(Water)

Breakfast-Shredded wheat with strawberries and skim milk, 1/2 cup OJ and my vitamins

Housework (laundry, dishes, bathrooms, vacuuming etc.)(Water)

Break-checked e-mail, visited 3FC and had snack (1 tsp. crunchy peanut butter on a bran crispbread cracker, apple, and water)

I hour Turbo Jam (liter of water)

Lunch- Cavatelli with mushrooms, fat-free yogurt, tea, 1/4 cup dried prunes

Cleaned cupboards, started dinner, carried 10 boxes from garage to car

Snack and break -banana and crushed almonds, water, read paper and wrote in my journal, checked e-mail and visited 3FC

Shoveled MORE snow! (1/2 hour)

Dinner- Thin pork chops, brown rice, green and yellow wax beans with carrots. a cup of skim milk

Tried T'ai Chi for first time!:) (1/2 hour) (water)

TV time for Cheryl...Whew!:carrot:

I also plan to have some cereal around 9:00PM or so.

I'm new to calorie counting but am aiming at between 1600-1800 a day. I'm mostly focusing on eating healthy foods, watching fats, and getting enough fiber and water. I'm trying to keep as active as I can.

Oh, and I am TRYING to get at least seven hours of sleep a night!

I think that's about it!

Cheryl

CyberGypsy
01-29-2007, 08:52 PM
Hi Robin!

I LOVE all kinds of meat but am wondering if just eating LESS of it will help me to lose more weight.

I don't have a "typical" meal plan, but here's what I had to eat today and the exercise I did:


Shoveled walkway and driveway and scraped ice and snow off three cars (one hour total)(Water)

Breakfast-Shredded wheat with strawberries and skim milk, 1/2 cup OJ and my vitamins

Housework (laundry, dishes, bathrooms, vacuuming etc.)(Water)

Break-checked e-mail, visited 3FC and had snack (1 tsp. crunchy peanut butter on a bran crispbread cracker, apple, and water)

I hour Turbo Jam (liter of water)

Lunch- Cavatelli with mushrooms, fat-free yogurt, tea, 1/4 cup dried prunes

Cleaned cupboards, started dinner, carried 10 boxes from garage to car

Snack and break -banana and crushed almonds, water, read paper and wrote in my journal, checked e-mail and visited 3FC

Shoveled MORE snow! (1/2 hour)

Dinner- Thin pork chops, brown rice, green and yellow wax beans with carrots. a cup of skim milk

Tried T'ai Chi for first time!:) (1/2 hour) (water)

TV time for Cheryl...Whew!:carrot:

I also plan to have some cereal around 9:00PM or so.

I'm new to calorie counting but am aiming at between 1600-1800 a day. I'm mostly focusing on eating healthy foods, watching fats, and getting enough fiber and water. I'm trying to keep as active as I can.

Oh, and I am TRYING to get at least seven hours of sleep a night!

I think that's about it!

Cheryl


Dang girl, can you come oer and clean my house :)

sharonrr
01-29-2007, 08:52 PM
Hi, Cheryl I've read if your having trouble with a plateau you should check out the food your eating as far as HFCS(High fructose corn syrup). It is in many of the fat free and low fat foods and our brain does not recognize the calories as food. Just a suggestion.
Sharon

Cheryl14
01-29-2007, 10:06 PM
Thanks for the tip, Sharon! I will check that! Is there any amount of it that would be acceptable or should ALL of it be eliminated?

Cheryl

Cheryl14
01-29-2007, 10:11 PM
Thanks for the tip, Sharon! I will check that! Is there any amount of it that would be acceptable or should ALL of it be eliminated?

Cheryl

kaplods
01-30-2007, 01:24 AM
My husband and I use TVP (little soy nuggets from the health food store) to extend ground beef for chili, tacos.... It's lower in fat and calories than the beef, but we like the flavor the beef adds to the tvp. But meatless definitely doesn't mean low cal. One of the largest women I ever met was VEGAN (no meat eggs or dairy). She had even given up wheat.

SwimGirl
01-30-2007, 01:31 AM
Cheryl - I have a LOT of luck with cutting out sugar, eating whole foods, sounds like you are doing pretty good! I would maybe add more veggies, aiming for 4-5 cups a day.. tips for getting extra in? Cut up a tomato for breakfast, peanut butter with celery, steamed broccoil (with roasted garlic - yummy!). I find veggies really really help with my weight loss, and I've been limited my fruits lately. I am babbling.. keep up the good work!

-Aimee

kaplods
01-30-2007, 03:29 AM
Speaking of veggies, japanese eggplant (shaped like a thin zucchini not a large water balloon) makes a great meat replacement. I absolutely hate the big fat eggplant. It's bitter and just yucky, but the japanese eggplant is great roasted or in stir-fries. I just learned that an asian restaurant in town will make me my favorite light stir fry "beef and eggplant," without the beef - after I jokingly complained that I had wished there was more eggplant and less beef. The owner said they would make it without the beef - and it would be cheaper too! Cool!

Cheryl14
01-30-2007, 06:17 AM
Thanks Colleen and Aimee for the tips! I'm trying different things in hopes of getting FINALLY to ONEderland. I didn't think it would take me this long to lose these TEN POUNDS, though! The old (55) body gets more stubborn as each year passes! I AM having great success with getting it to be firmer, though, through all the exercise that I do!:) I have lost quite a few inches.

THat's interesting about the vegan lady weighing a lot. Somehow I just always thought of vegetarians as skinny minnies! I know my MOM is!

I like all kinds of veggies, so adding more is definitely not a problem. Eggplant is one of the veggies we eat a lot because my family LOVES eggplant parm with the rice spaghetti noodles.

I LOVE soybeans, but some soy products don't seem to agree with me. I often make cakes with rice flour and tapioca flour because my future daughter-in-law cannot have any gluten. I've never tried TVP but have heard of it.

As I mentioned, I LOVE meat, especially RED MEAT, but realize that we had been eating WAY too much of it. We're trying to eat less of it and substitute foods with less calories.

I really have to always watch portions, too! I can easily eat WAY to much of a food if I'm not careful!

rockinrobin
01-30-2007, 07:26 AM
Good morning Cheryl,

I don't see where you're eating too much meat. In fact I might even add more. Like for lunch. Instead of the cavatelli with mushrooms, how about a grilled chicken cutlet with vegetables. Or 3 -4 ozs, of turkey breast with a salad. Or a can of solid tuna in water with a salad.

I also don't think you're getting enough fiber. I checked fitday for the shredded wheat, it is not all that nutritous. 1 cup has 180 cals and only 4.9 gms fiber. Maybe switch to a high fiber cereal, such as Kashi Go Lean - it has 140 cals per cup, 14 gms. protein, 10 gms. fiber. My breakfast is 1/2 cup of Kashi Go Lean with 1/2 cup of Fiber One Cereal. Fiber One has 14gms of fiber per 1/2 cup serving. Me personally, I don't drink juice. Too much sugar and too many calories. It has 57 cals and 13.5 gms carbs per 1/2 cup.

Instead of having cereal at night perhaps you can have a 3-egg white omlette with some veggies. I went through a phase where I would have an omlette every day. I sauteed a bunch of veggies, onions, spinach, mushrooms and red peppers. I made enough for the whole week and would add it to my omlettes.

Do you have a fitday.com account? I was wondering if you know exactly how many calories you are eating. You might be surprised to see exactly how much the number is. I'd be curious to know. You may be eating more then you think, which could be why you're having a rough time as of late. Why not add them up for a day or 2, measuring everything and see what you come up with and get back to us.

We'll find something that works for ya, promise.

GirlyGirlSebas
01-30-2007, 07:59 AM
Hi Cheryl,

Congratulations again for breaking that plateu! And,Thanks for sharing your menu with us. I agree with Robin....more protein might help with your weight loss. Maybe you can add a scambled egg or two pieces of turkey bacon for breakfast. I would also be very careful with having too much fruit. Two pieces/types a day might be a good goal. I would also aim for more veggies. Vegetables are complex carbohydrates that help fuel your body, but don't contribute greatly to insulin spikes. Fruit does have a lot of sugar...its natural sugar...but, it can still make losing weight very difficult. We took orange juice out of the house and are encouraging our girls to eat the orange instead. The added fiber from the orange slows down the absorption of the sugar in their bodies and helps prevent insulin spikes. Also, they end up getting less sugar as the amount of juice in one orange is less than a cup of OJ. I would also be very careful with nuts, including peanut butter. These have healthy fats and are very beneficial to our diets. But, too many nuts= too much fat. I recommend sticking with one portion of nuts a day.

sharonrr
01-30-2007, 08:27 AM
Hi Cheryl sorry I didn't answer your question last night. Have a 4 y/o I had to take care of. The HFCS is in all kinds of things and if you are at a plateau to cut it out completely may help. There is an article on it if you google it like this high fructose corn syrup weight loss. Natural sugar is not a bad thing I keep my sugar under 4 grams per serving, minimize the artificial sweetners, they are also linked to having problems with plateaus. Real nuts like walnuts give us our omega-3 if you do not eat fish they are a great alternative. Rhonda is correct you should limit it but don't cut them out of your plan.
Sharon:)

Cheryl14
01-30-2007, 10:07 AM
Thanks SO much Robin, Rhonda, and Sharon!

You have given me some more things that I can tweek as I fight my stubborn body to GIVE UP some more pounds to the cause!

I've been drinking hot tea of late and have been adding Sweet 'n Low to it. I'll stop that. I have an occasional diet soda with artificial sweetener, too, so I'll quit that.

As to fiber, I easily can add a salad at lunch, and go back to eating more C.C. Bran Crispbread crackers (16 calories and 3 grams of fiber for one cracker) as snacks with some lowfat Laughing Cow cheese, a protein.

I KNOW that my peanut butter COULD be a culprit! LOVE that Crunchy Jif!:( Will try to stay away from that as a snack!

I WAS having Eggbeaters and veggies there for awhile for breakfast. I also have been known to warm up chicken from the night before and have it for breakfast. Lately I have been in a hurry to get SOMETHING into my stomach quickly after an hour of snow shoveling!

I've drastically reduced my OJ intake over the years! I used to have a HUGE glass several times a day. I DO like a bit, though, because it makes my pill taking more palatable. I take a Slow Iron pill, two Osteo-Byflex, my Weight Smart One-a-Day vitamin and a New Phase for menopausal symptoms. I suspect that the menopause is causing some of the slowdown in weight loss, too.

LOVE walnuts and almonds! Will pick ONE a day and leave it at that!

No, Robin, I don't have a FitDay account. Is there a charge for it? I usually look on the labels of foods and measure amounts. I also use my Calorie King book.

Thanks all! I am off to TURBO JAM! LOVE that! At least I am seeing GREAT results from my exercise even though my scale appears to be glued into place at 209 now! :?:

I really appreciate all the time that you have taken to analyze my diet/exercise and your efforts to try to come up with some things that COULD be causing this scale standoff! I can do this, but I know I REALLY can do this thanks to all of you guys!

Hugs!:hug:

Cheryl

rockinrobin
01-30-2007, 10:37 AM
Fitday is FREE Cheryl. Just log right on, register and you're in. I really think you should look into it. It just may be a eye opener for you.

I know peanut butter is yummy and it is high in protein, but it's also high in fat and sugar, which also leads to more cravings. In the beginning I ate it more often. Now, hardly ever. My 2 favorite snacks are Danon Lit and Fit yougurt, 60 cals. Sometimes if it's crunch I'm looking for I add a tablespoon of Kashi Go Lean cereal to it. My other fav is Jello sugar free 60 cal. puddings. They have some great flavors. Sometimes I add a squirt of fat free reddi whip whipped cream and some berries. When I first started out I couldn't have them in the house, I was afraid I'd eat them all at one time. But since I've discovered control I am never without them.

Another thing, you may not wanna hear it though. Even if you ARE eating only 1600-1800 cals, that just might be a maintanence # for you and not a losing #. If you've ever gone on the Living Maintance forum you will see that the ladies calories vary greatly, but many of them are eating 1800 calories and BELOW, way below. I don't even wanna THINK about that right now.

My typical day breaks down like this.

Breakfast - under 250 cals
Lunch - under 300 cal,
Dinner - under 500 cals
Snacks - between 200 & 400 depending on how munched I am during the day.

I've certainly had days where I am higher then that, like last night I ate 2 pieces of chicken instead of one. My daughter didn't wind up eating at home, so naturally I shoved her piece down my throat. But that's okay, over a week time, it's no big deal and it was chicken.

I'm headed out for a few hours, if you want specific food items, I'll be glad to fill that in as well.

Cheryl14
01-30-2007, 01:39 PM
Hi Robin!

Thanks for the info!

I just noticed that you made it to 199!

CONGRATULATIONS!:carrot: :carrot: :carrot: :carrot:

I'll check out FitDay tonight!

I was wondering about the number of calories I have been eating, too. Stands to reason that 1600-1800 calories COULD VERY WELL BE a maintenance amount for me! Yikes!!!

Cheryl

midwife
01-30-2007, 02:38 PM
Hi Cheryl,
Taking your iron with the oj is a good idea and I do not think that such a small portion of the juice is plateauing you!

I concur with the Fitday account. For your activity, you may even need to up your calories. I have read accounts on here from women who increase their calories and then begin to lose again.

Good luck...

VelVeeta
01-30-2007, 02:58 PM
I know i am going to be repeating what everyone is already saying but good luck and i would cut the red meat as much as possible but dont give it up, i mean if you enjoy it have it every once in a while to reward yourself. Eat lots of vegetables and of course stay away from processed foods. As for the HFCS, i think its ok in moderation. Good luck, i think its great you are trying to have a healthier lifestyle.

CyberGypsy
01-30-2007, 04:00 PM
Hummmmmm my steel cut Oatmeal comes fedex tomorrow :)

SuchAPrettyFace
01-30-2007, 05:08 PM
I don't eat hardly any red meat anymore, maybe 1-4 times a month as a treat, and it hasn't helped with my weight loss efforts. (I was told to cut down on the animal protein, ALL animal protein, by my kidney doctor) It's a tough road to hoe, but it works. I usually eat mostly veg during the week & on the weekends I am a bit more relaxed, especially if I am a guest in someone else's home.

It might be time to up the exercise, or even up the plant based proteins. You will have to see what workd for you. :)

Good luck & congrats on breaking the plateau.

Cheryl14
01-30-2007, 07:09 PM
Hi Robin!

I set up my FitDay Account this evening! Thanks for the tip! It took awhile because I was shoveling snow for the THIRD TIME today, helping my son with homework, proofreading my husband's report, baking a pie for my skinny husband and son, making dinner, and talking to my neighbor on the phone WHILE I was doing it! I HAVE to quit multi-tasking! Did you know that multitaskers are actually LESS efficient?!!!! OK...any way, now here's the info:

Calories eaten today: 1183

Calories burned today: 3622 (1614-Basal, 987-Lifestyle, Activities-1020)

I have a few questions:

On the "Nutrition" report I had a lot of my numbers in the red. How do I input the multivitamin info and iron supplement that I take into the mix? I'm guessing that would put me more in the black.

Is there a place on FitDay where they tell you whether your percentages of fat/carb/protein are sufficient for your age, gender, etc.?

This was a HOOT to finally finish!:carrot:

Cheryl

Cheryl14
01-30-2007, 07:14 PM
Thanks for the input midwife, velVeeta,and Suchaprettyface!

I'm willing to take anything and everything into consideration on this QUEST TO ONEderland!!!

Did you guys notice Robin made it to ONEderland?!!!!:carrot:

Cheryl

GirlyGirlSebas
01-30-2007, 07:21 PM
I suspect that the menopause is causing some of the slowdown in weight loss, too.
Cheryl

OH, I hear you! Since my hysterectomy, my weight has gone up and up and it takes a whole lotta effort to lose each and every pound. On another site I visit (I dont think I'm allowed to say the name on here, but its for women who've had hysterectomies) many of the women that are in menopause are losing weight successfully by limiting sugar, eating more protein and eating more often....and getting tons of cardio exercise. Studies have shown that there is a high incidence of insulin resistance for menopausal women. I've tried several diets over the last 2 years with very little results. I'm finally losing with Southbeach and lots of exercise. Of course, every woman's body is different and what works for me might not work for you. But, it might be worth checking into.

Cheryl14
01-30-2007, 07:28 PM
Hi Rhonda!

I wrote down the four tips you gave me and will be sure that I implement them! Thank you!

Cheryl

rockinrobin
01-30-2007, 10:21 PM
1183??? That's certainly not 1600-1800. You're not losing on THAT? Whoa. Or have you just started eating so little? Cause if that's what you've been doing, I don't see how you could possibly cutback on calories. But I do agree it is better to stick with high protein, veggies and low sugar. Certain calories are better then others. I have practically eliminated added sugars completely. That's another reason that I limit my fruit intake. Too high in sugar for me.

I'm not a fitday fanatic. Surprisingly so, I'm an everything else fanatic. Did I mention I bought a pedometer today? For me, I don't even bother putting in my activities. I don't find it accurate enough and I find it too tedious. I simply use it for calories and nutritional info. So, I really can't help you with any of those questions, sorry. :(

If your sticking to 1200 calories and shoveling all that snow, the weight is bound to come off. Just why do you have so much darn snow anyway?!?! :D :?: :D

Cheryl14
01-30-2007, 11:23 PM
Hi Robin!

I just put in what I ate today, and that's what came out! I DID watch my carbs at dinner because I made pierogies for my family (request!). I can SOOOOOOOOOOO easily overeat pierogies, so I purposely ate the "serving size" of three pierogies which was 210 calories and that was IT!:carrot: I filled up on salad and water.

I had no artificial sugar today.

I had a Fiber One Oats and Peanut butter bar at 150 calories and 9 grams of fiber and also one of my bran crisp crackers (3 grams of fiber and just 18 calories).

I had turkey on my bran crisp cracker and a small piece of grilled chicken as well as the milk on my morning cereal for protein.

I did not have any peanut butter today.

I drank three liters of water today and no tea or Diet Pepsi.

I tried to pay attention to as many suggestions as I could from all of the helpful people who responded to my meat thread.:)

I will have more shoveling to do tomorrow UNLESS there is a Snow Day for my husband and son, so I'm getting plenty of weight lifting in addition to my Turbo Jam!

They said that we have a northern wind pattern from Canada that is sending us all the lake effect snow. We are used to it, having lived here for 30 years in the snow belt but have been spoiled due to very unseasonable warmer weather...until NOW!:snowglo: :snow4: :coolsnow:

I found out some info on percentages of fats, carbs, protein, sodium, fiber, etc. but I was just wondering if FitDay analyzed everything like they did the nutrition section. Maybe something like that is available in the PC version that apparently you must BUY.

Thanks for getting me interested in FitDay! It was time consuming but very interesting and certainly helpful in many ways!

I hope to see that scale move SOON! (Wouldn't it be funny if I found that my scale had been BROKEN all along and I really weighed a lot MORE or a lot LESS than I really thought?!!! Big nightmare meets big DREAM!:?:

Take care!

Cheryl

Cheryl

TempleBody
01-31-2007, 01:12 AM
Have you tried eating Goat or Lambe meat instead of beef? I can't really deal with the gamey taste of lamb, but I love to have goat. It's very yummy & I believe it has less calories and fat then beef, but at the same time more protein. (Might wanna double check the specifics).