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Lin S
10-10-2001, 03:42 PM
Hi, Turtle Buddies,

Here it is - my "official" version of the fable:

The Hare and the Tortoise

A hare met a tortoise one day and made fun of him for the slow and clumsy way in which he walked.

The tortoise laughed and said, "I will run a race with you any time that you choose."

"Very well," replied the hare, "we will start at once."

The tortoise immediately set off in his slow and steady way without waiting a moment or looking back. The hare, on the other hand, treated the matter as a joke and decided to take a little nap before starting, for she thought that it would be an easy matter to overtake her rival.

The tortoise plodded on, and meanwhile the hare overslept herself, with the result that she arrived at the winning-post only to see that the tortoise had got in before her.

Moral: Slow and steady wins the race.

This comes from a book handed down from my grandmother to my mother to me. The book is so old it doesn't have a copyright date or an author/editor's credit.

That fable has been the motivation for us turtles for about two years. Someone on the ancient WW forum mentioned the fable and I discovered it was very motivational for me. I talked about it in posts and other people said that the tortoise philosophy worked for them, too. So, I started a thread for us turtle types.

We work toward accepting that our bodies have a natural speed of weight loss when we choose to live a healthy life, instead of "going on a diet". Many of us have experienced "the diets" as go on/lose weight-- go off/ gain the weight plus more back.

We choose to perservere with each choice we make throughout the day. We believe that choosing to be slow, steady turtles helps us to learn the skills we need to learn in order to not only lose the weight, but keep it off and become the healthiest people we can be.

So, welcome to all who realize that losing and maintaining a weight loss is a lifestyle change. And who want support as we all learn the skills we need to successfully make the changes that will allow us to reach our goals.

Happy turtlin', everyone! :D

Lin


Lin S
10-10-2001, 04:25 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Judy, it's great that you checked in. Looking forward to reading your next post updating us on how things are going.

Mousie, your dh and you have all of the positive vibes I can send you. Hoping to hear great news about the job this week. Even though you can't just stay home in bed, try to get some extra rest. I know it's hard with midterms but you'll do much better on your tests if you're rested. Drink extra water. Eat healthy meals. All that stuff you know you need to do, but the mother hen in me just has to say it anyway. Hope you feel better soon.

Lauren, I'm glad the pound is "official". Congratulations!

I'm not expecting problems with my oldest son moving back. I won't be sorry to have some company at least part of the day. He said that once he learns to drive and gets a car, he'll drive us to Foothill for photography classes so we don't have to go at 4 am when my dh goes to work. That may not be until next fall, but it's the thought that he's willing to let his ma tag along that's great. Especially since he complained and worried about us taking a class together. It cracked me up that no one knew we were mother and son until a few weeks into the course when someone overheard him call me "Mom". So, we took another class together. And they didn't guess we were mother and son, either. It was fun.

He told me that he expects to be doing chores and paying us money for groceries, etc. As for the other rules, we never have been a family with a lot of rules. We tried to focus on the important ones. Neither of our boys would have done well in a super controlling family because David had to push every rule to its limits. That meant either choosing our battles carefully or having constant battles. Chris just has a mind like a seive. He can't remember long lists of stuff. So, if we wanted his cooperation, the rules had to be kept simple or he's forget what we expected of him. We always got compliments on how well-behaved they were, so we must have chosen well. Parenting is really an exercise in trial and error living because until you try, you don't know what works with a particular child.

For the most part, both of them have outgrown the need for rules except for the things like calling if you're going to be late or not going to San Jose for three days without telling us you're going to be gone. Of course, they expect us to treat them the same way, which we consider a reasonable request because that's just common courtesy. He once said that we made it really hard for him and his brother to rebel because our rules are so reasonable that they had no problem following them. We considered that a compliment.

I'm planning to do the leek and mushroom soup tonight. I'm pretty sure this recipe will work, but since I haven't tested it, I'm not sharing it yet. However, I will. This is the time of year for that soup because chanterelle mushrooms are half price. ($15 instead of $30 a pound!) I use a quarter pound and fill in with a quarter pound of cremini mushrooms. They're the little brown ones that are really baby Portabellas and they're really good. Of course, you can use any mushroom you can get at your store. I just love chanterelles and try to use them at least once in the fall when they're in season.

I went for a long walk this morning. And I'm easily staying within my point range. Even though I'm not tracking individual food groups like how many veggie servings and so on, I'm noticing that I'm choosing the right amounts of those things even though I'm not making little tally marks on my tracking sheet. Since I get really tired of complicated record-keeping, that observation is a relief because it means that I don't have to go back to doing all of that extra stuff. I simplified my record keeping by writing down the food and points, but using my electronic point calculator to total it all up.

Hope all of you turtles are doing well. Look forward to hearing from you soon.

Happy turtlin'! :D

Lin
272/244/135 or so

mousie
10-10-2001, 07:00 PM
Turtles!!!!! HE GOT IT!!! YAYAYAYAYAYAYAY!!!!!

I'm dancing in my seat as I write this, he got it! YAY! Marie called this morning and made the offer, and he starts Oct 22! YAY! We have to go buy him clothes...he's got bum-around stuff, but he wants to "dress the part" and needs new stuff. HE GOT IT! :):):)

Thank you, thank you, thank you for hoping/praying/pulling for us, I'm sure SOMEONE was listening, everything has come together so well. My mom always has said that if you hang on long enough, something's gotta give. We did it! :):)

We're going out for a celebratory dinner, to Olive Garden, I'm planning on salad&bruschetta. Nothing more...the urge to eat to comfort myself has gone, and I'm perfectly content with the thought of a salad. :)

It's been a looooooooooooooooooooooooong year. He wasn't able to work until we got married because of immigration issues, and the industry bombed in that time. He's spent the last 7 months looking, and it's been a hard, hard time. But we did the hard stuff at the beginning, right, when we were still in the "newlywed" mindset, and now we've got the strength built up for later. :)

We're planning to "run away" to Julian (a small, pretty town up in the mountains) for the weekend, and just relax and enjoy each other NON-stressed. Because he has a job now! And we don't have to move and I don't have to leave school and he won't get kicked out by INS...oh, Turtles. This is such a relief!

Thank you, thank you, thank you for everything. And thank you for being patient with me, and offering encouraging words!

Now, to train for that marathon...if I can do THIS, I can do a marathon! :)


Itryharder
10-10-2001, 10:31 PM
Mousie,
This is the greatest news!!!! Congrats about your husband and his job. I am so thrilled for you.

Guys--I'm much too beat to write right now, but will catch up soon. In the meantime I'm sending everyone good vibes.

Judy
234/thinner:dizzy:

Lauren H
10-11-2001, 10:00 AM
Woo-hoo, Mousie! Terrific news! I'm so happy for you both. Have a great time on your mini-vacation this weekend -- you deserve it!

Judy -- always nice to see your pixels. :)

Lin -- you're funny. I mention "rules," and you suddenly picture long lists of restrictions. :) I sense a rebel in there. Actually, the only ground rules my parents had once I was an adult were similar to the ones you mentioned, except that I did pay rent. I'm glad you're looking forward to your son's return.

My cat Snickers keeps walking in front of my monitor. Makes it hard to type. She's kind of velcro-ish when we get back from vacation.

I'm going to sell a bunch of my clothes on Ebay. I've finally undergrown a lot of them -- they just don't look good anymore. I gave the majority to a thrift store, but there are some that I think I can get money for -- and that'll help pay the bills while I'm unemployed. So I'm waiting for the rain to stop so I can go out and photograph them.

Well, better get at it ... got to go do my workout.

Onward an downward,

Lauren
279/213/199 by Christmas (WW scales)

Lin S
10-11-2001, 05:10 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Mousie--We're all so happy for you. Tell your dh that the turtles all congratulate him, as well as you, on that great news! Having a job takes such a burden off of your mind.

Enjoy your celebration and your little getaway. Sounds like you both deserve some time to just play a bit.

Lauren, if you had grown up with my parents, you'd think of long lists of restrictions, too. Even after we grew up. Heck, my mother is still trying to "raise" me! As in tell me what to do so I turn out the way she thinks I "should". Of course I'm a rebel! :lol:

Wow! That's great about being able to sell your clothes on Ebay and give some to a thrift shop. Mine, well they're only going to be worthy of the rag bag, if anyone has a rag bag anymore. ;)

Cats are like that. Smokie has been driving me crazy since the boys moved out. She sits herself directly in front of me, preferably on top of the paper I'm trying to write on. Blackie just meows after Paul leaves in the morning until I say her name. Then she remembers there's still another human around, comes in and goes to sleep on the end of the bed.

Today has been another good day. I learned about a food court restaurant at the mall not to eat at again. But, I didn't go over points, so I'm chalking it up to a lesson learned. But, I did get in a nice long walk.

The farther I go on this journey, the more I realize how important those few pages I write every morning are. Since I just let my mind wander and write down whatever it's thinking, I get a lot of interesting revelations. Sometimes they're not exactly what I want to hear, but rather what I need to hear. Other times, they're both.

The thing that makes it significant to write about is that what I've learned recently has helped me to make changes in many areas of my life. Some of them I've been trying to make for years, but couldn't figure out how to do them or stay motivated long enough to make them a habit. My journaling has helped me to come to a place where I'm learning which of the things I've been trying to change are truly important to me. And then doing them. Without rebelling ( ;) ) or fighting with myself. I feel so peaceful and see that I'm making progress instead of anxious or guilty because I wasn't doing what I wanted to do.

Glad to hear from you all. Hope those of you who haven't been able to post will check in soon. Hope some of you lurkers will write something sometime.

Happy turtlin'! :D

Lin
272/244/135 or so

mousie
10-11-2001, 08:19 PM
hi Turtles!

It's so amazing, sometimes you just change one thing and suddenly life just falls together. :) I was walking around campus this morning with the silliest grin on my face. I had just finished a Kinesiology test and gotten the results (80%) and realized that in most of my classes (save one, Organic Chemistry)(so, in 5 other classes) I've got an ~80% average. So I was relatively satisfied with that, and then I thought "I can do better now that Nick is working...NICK IS WORKING NOW!" and hence the silly grinning.

I'm also completely relaxed about eating, exercise, whathaveyou. I realize that it's the first day and this giddiness will fade, but for right now what I eat, and when, and how much, and what I eat next, and how many vegetables I need, and all those issues aren't issues. I'm feeling tremendously mellow.

I've had 15 points so far today, 4 vegetables, and half my protein. Through process of trial and error I've discovered that I'm sensitive to lactose (not intolerant, it takes about 2 cups of milk or milk products to cause cramping and intestinal issues, and then not for about 8 hours)(lactose intolerance kicks in between 1/2 hour and 2 hours after consumption) so I've had my calcium and vitamin pills, and the diuretic I'm on for my blood pressure. I'm hoping my blood pressure goes down on its own now, and I can stop taking anything. :)

Life is much improved!

Lin, I have kept a journal since I was 8 years old. I have, on one of my bookshelves, all my old journals. I can trace a path through my life by re-reading them. After the car accident, I lost a fair amount of memories from the previous year. I went back to my journals and found them again. :) I couldn't exist without journalling. In class I have two pages going always--one of notes, one a continuous journal entry. I even have multiple journals--one for health/fitness/body issues, one for DH/marriage issues, and one "regular" journal. I just couldn't exist without writing. It's a part of certain people, I think--we just can't NOT do it.

Anyway! Must clear the phone line. :)

Lin S
10-12-2001, 06:47 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Great going on your GPA, Mousie. I really admire your ability to keep your life on track while you waited for your DH to find a job in his field.

You know, you're absolutely right about some people just having to write. I wish I had all of my old journals, but some of them have been lost between various houses and apartments when we've moved. That happens, though.

It's interesting that as I looked at my tracker I thought I was really eating a lot today, but the points are right on track. I went for a long walk today, too. Out of all of the times I've ever tried to lose weight, right now is the easiest effort ever. It's as if something clicked inside that told me exactly how to use the program to fit my body and my life. I'm so grateful for whatever that particular click is.

Happy turtlin'! :)

Lin
272/244/135 or so

Itryharder
10-12-2001, 09:18 PM
Hi Guys,
Could you send me a word of support? I'm on track, but fighting it every step of the way. I want to eat, eat, eat. I could use a helping word right now. I went to my WW WI and I'm up again. So, you're all losing weight and I'm going the other way. Help, please.
Love,
Judy
234/thinner/199# by Christmas:^:

Lauren H
10-12-2001, 10:43 PM
Judy, first, you're on track. WAY TO GO. You've been posting here regularly. You've been going to Weight Watchers. You definitely want to be thinner, and you're demonstrating that you have the commitment to do that. YOU CAN DO THIS.

Have you stopped and spent some time just thinking about why you want to eat, eat, eat? Those feelings don't ever come out of a vacuum. Have you tried writing some thoughts down? Is it stress with what's been going on, with the beginning of a new school year, with family stuff, with something else? Is it rebellion? What is food doing for you? Is it calming you down? Filling a void? Leveling out your mood? Helping you procrastinate? Keeping you from being bored? We use food for all kinds of reasons. Once we start figuring out what some of them are, maybe we can find healthier substitutes.

Sometimes we can't figure out why we have the urge to eat, eat, eat. That's when we grit our teeth and hold on for dear life. That's when we try behavior modification, like getting out of the parts of the house that trigger those urges (like getting away from the TV or staying out of the kitchen), or like chewing gum, or like getting out of the house and walking around the block for 10 minutes until the urge passes, or calling a friend, or coming to the Turtles!

The thing is, Judy, that all this pain and grief is worth it. It really is. YOU'RE worth it. Instead of trying not to imagine what it would be like to eat some food you crave, imagine yourself at 190 pounds. At 160 pounds. At 140 pounds. What do you look like? What clothes are you wearing? How do you feel? What activities are you doing? I find that when I spend a few minutes in the evening before falling asleep just imagining myself thinner, that really helps me. I picture myself walking into any clothing store and being able to find clothes that fit and look great. (One of my big weaknesses is clothing, in case you couldn't tell.) I picture myself being able to do high-impact or mixed-impact aerobics, including all those cool dance moves that involve both feet leaving the ground. I picture myself having more energy and low cholesterol. I picture myself living many healthy and active years.

Hang on, Judy. Don't ever give up. YOU CAN DO THIS.

--Lauren

Lin S
10-13-2001, 02:41 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Judy, your phrasing makes me think of a few things. One, perhaps something is causing you to want to eat instead of dealing with it. My best method of dealing with it, as you can probably guess, is to journal until the reason comes out and makes me face it. Another method is to walk and let my mind wander around the problem. Or think about it right before I go to sleep. Let my subconscious work on it. Don't discount the possibility that the current events are part of the problem. I know that I've been really struggling, off and on, with this lately and so have a lot of other people who are posting on various forums.

Or, perhaps you're just feeling a little rebellious about having to do this at all. That's one of my biggies. As I said in an earlier post, I sometimes resent that I have to do this just to be able to maintain a healthy body. I don't feel that way anymore, at least not at the moment. I've discovered that sometimes I think you've dealt with something, but it pops back up in my journal because I've only dealt with part of it and I need to go deeper. That's what happened this past few weeks. I went deeper and was surprised at what I found and how learning it helped me with my WW, even though what I was doing it for was to help me with my writing. It did that, too.

Also, you mentioned that you're on track, but gaining. Maybe you need to tweak the program a little bit. More exercise, eating at a different place in your range, mixing it up by eating at different points on different days. Make sure you get all of your milks, veggies, etc. The problem may be simply a practical issue, not all that psychological stuff at all.

I don't know if hormones are an issue, but since I started taking the calcium, mulitvitamin, and (especially) the magnesium, I don't get those food cravings like I used to. I get hungrier, in general, but don't crave potato chips and chocolate.

Lauren gave you so much great advice that I don't really know what else I can add to help you. But, I do know that you are motivated and want this badly enough to work it out. You will be seeing losses again. We've found that sometimes we go through times when we have some small gains, but we come out the other end with more consistent losses and are able to follow the program better because of what we had to do to get past those times.

I hope some of our ramblings helps. I know you will get there. Keep posting. It's been an observation of mine that when people stop posting, they gain more weight than if they keep posting, even if they're not really following WW right then. What I've observed is that when people stop posting and disappear, when they come back, they've gained a lot of weight. I think that, at least for me, when I post regularly it keeps me focused enough to deal with whatever is going on without getting totally out of control. When I stop posting, I don't even think about WW and I gain a lot of weight between concentrated efforts. Also, when I keep posting, the time between concentrated efforts is much shorter.

However, I think I've finally managed, with the help of Julia Cameron's book "The Artist's Way", to get deep enough to come to the point where I am willing to do this long enough to reach goal and stay there. I recommend her book a lot. Despite it's title, it's not specifically for artists only. It's for anyone who wants to get in touch with their creative self. A lot of people use "Simple Abundance" to try to find their real self, but I found the exercises in "Simple Abundance" to directed, so I never found what I needed, just what worked for Sara Ban Breathnach. Julia Cameron's exercises are much more open-ended so you really explore yourself.

Well, I have to go. My son and I are going to go for a walk to the mall. I'm doing really well. this week. On track and getting a walk in each day. (Was that me--actually walking without complaining about exercising?) Let's see if I can maintain that for a while.

So, all I can say is we turtles are doing what we need to do--moving forward and being there for each other.

Happy turtlin'! :D

Lin
272/244/135 or so

Itryharder
10-13-2001, 09:13 PM
Thanks guys,
It's a huge help to see so many good ideas. I'm going to print them out to look at and paste them in my WW spiral notebook to refer to when I feel like eating. You're both a big help.
Judy
234/thinner:wave:

Lin S
10-14-2001, 11:57 AM
Hi, Fellow Tortoises,

Your welcome, Judy. I'm glad we could help.

Lauren, I've saved your letter, too. It's chock full of wonderful suggestions.

Today is weigh-in day for me. I'm down another pound. Yay!

What's made me feel more successful than losing the pound is that I've gone for a walk of between 1 and 2 hours every day for the past 3 days. It's not a long streak, but it's a start. I don't push hard. I usually go at a pace that's between light and moderate, which is where I set the slider when I figure out my activity points. I'm discovering that long, slower, rambling walks suit me. I used to do them when I was younger for no reason. Even after I got my own car, I often walked a couple of miles to the mall or the store. What's hard for me is to think of it as a "workout" and feel as if I have to push the pace, etc. I think as I get into better shape, I will probably walk faster naturally. That's been my experience in the past. I'd just forgotten it.

Sometimes I think I make this whole thing more difficult and stressful than it needs to be. I've been taking a relaxed approach and it's been easier. By "relaxed" I mean not stressing out over a half point or a change in plans that means eating more points than I planned. I've been just adjusting the rest of the day or the next day and moving forward. I'm not sure what has destroyed the perfectionism that has plagued me off and on during my journey, but I'm not complaining. (Now, if I could only get the art critic to shut up until I need her. . . :lol: )

I've been having trouble sticking to my writing schedule and this weekend I realized that I've been working on the wrong project. It's the teddy bears that really want my attention. Also the photo essay. Maybe my calling isn't straight writing. Maybe it's a combination of photography and words. I don't know. I just have to keep going and see where it all leads.

So, I hope you all are doing well. Looking forward to hearing from you.

Happy turtlin'! :cool:

Lin
272/243/135 or so

Itryharder
10-14-2001, 01:02 PM
Lin,
It is wonderful that you are down another pound, and it is also amazing that you are walking and getting so many good benefits from that. I feel like I know you since we've been turtlin' along thanks to you starting this club and I am seeing so many changes in you in this last month or so. It's wonderful and I'm so happy for you.

I went to a baby shower in a restaurant yesterday. I guess I sound whiney, but I am very lucky--I live in a part of the country where food places *deliver*, for heaven's sake! I know a lot of people and my dh and I get invited a lot of places and we have friends and family in a lot. It seems as though I just get myself on track and something else wonderful or awful happens (I eat over both) and I'm off track and gaining weight again. So----to make a short story long, I went to the baby shower for my dear friend's daughter and selected the best I could with what was offered. I am down two pounds from my high this week and I am thankful and grateful to you guys for support. Yes, I thought the weight gain was temporary--but how many temporary gains can you have before they become permanent? In June I was down six pounds from where I am now. I am working on getting rid of this weight, but Lin--you're right. How can I be on track and gaining weight. Simple explanation that I didn't mention--I wasn't on track as I was gaining weight. I was off track, gained, didn't ask for help or e-mail, and *then* got myself back on track and continued on. So, another challenge today. We'll be meeting our daughter and her dh to look at a little house they found. Of course we'll be eating out afterward. I started the day right with a big breakfast of 5 points--lite English muffin, 2 Eggbeaters, and 3 Boca breakfast sausages. I'm full because of the protein and I have a plan for dinner with the kids.

Lin,
Interesting that different writing calls you at different times. You're doing so well following your instincts that it makes sense to go with your intuition as far as your writing as well. Good luck!

Lauren,
Thanks again for all the wonderful advice. It's great to hear these things so clearly. And yes, sometimes we do have to sacrifice and go against what we want for the moment to get what we want long term. Since I am always close to program, but just not enough to lose weight and since I gave up exercising again--a real stumbling block for me--my weight is not going where I want it to be.
Good luck to you and all your wonderful successes!!! Keep on turtlin--although lately your success has a sure footed rabbit element to it. Weigh to go!

Kimmers and Mousie,
It's so wonderful to hear good news and revelations that you've been able to find through self examination and doctor's help.
I'm so proud of all of us and wish us all well.

Judy
234/thinner/199# by Christmas!!!!!;)

mousie
10-14-2001, 01:30 PM
Judy--
Here's a thought for dealing with all the "happy and sad" events that come your way and cause you to make bad choices. When I find myself in that situation, I ask myself exactly whose celebration it is. If we're out for someone's birthday, is it mine? If it IS, then yay me, I can have birthday cake and a splendid dinner. If it isn't, yes I'm glad the other person was born, but how does stuffing myself full of bad choices express my happiness? If it's to celebrate a job offer, is it my job? When my husband and I went out to celebrate his recent job offer, I had bruschetta and salad. So, nice food, but not nearly gorging myself. Just a trick that might help!

The change is amazing. :) My husband is acting like his old self again (THIS is why I married him!) and I'm acting like the Old Me too. Making good choices is no longer a struggle, and I even started my marathon training yesterday! That desperate, uncontrollable-but-definitely-controlling hunger has gone, and I feel so free. :)

Now, I don't know what my weight is doing. My obsession with the subject was getting really bad so my husband put the scale away (I agreed to it). He also suggested I NOT go to a meeting until I felt like I could cope with it, so I haven't been to a meeting in...2 weeks? Now, I realize that we're always told to just GO to the meetings, no matter what, but I was beating myself up so bad that they were doing far more harm than good. I'm right on track, though, tracking points and protein, and my blood pressure is WAY down, and I feel healthy. I'll worry about what my weight is doing later, for now I'm just enjoying not being obsessed. :)

Lauren H
10-15-2001, 09:18 AM
Hello, Tortoise Beings. Happy Monday. (All Mondays are happy when you're unemployed! Except for that money thing, of course ...)

I always gain so much from reading this group.

Lin, thanks for your thoughts and insights, as always. It's fascinating to see your journey progress.

Judy, you've got all the marks of long-term success on this journey, though it may not feel that way to you right now. Being able to stop a gain before it gets worse really is the hallmark of a long-term winner.

Mousie, I'm so glad things are easing up for you and DH. What a difference!

This past weekend I ate a lot of sodium, and I also ate out a few times. I'm finding that the more I eat out, the less I lose. Even when I'm within my points. I think one of the reasons I've had such steady losses of late is that I've been eating most of my meals at home, especially since losing my job.

I'm also beginning that cycle of being hormonal again (mine starts with ovulation), so I think I'm up a bit. Ah, well, that's how it goes.

I just found out that my former company is expected to lay off almost 1/2 its workforce today (what's left of it), and then get purchased by another company (SAP, a German company). Yikes. I'm so not sorry that I left. If I'd ended up working for SAP, I wouldn't have been able to do the work I was hired to do -- and I'd have to travel 100 percent of the time. Blecchh!

Well, better go do my workout before the day gets going and I put it off too long.

Onward and downward everyone,

Lauren

Lin S
10-15-2001, 11:59 PM
Hi, Turtles,

It's so nice to see so many posts today.

Judy, I know how easy it is to eat due to life circumstances. It sounds as if you are faced regularly with the eating out challenge. When you know in advance that you're going to a restaurant or other type of celebration, you can bank points and eat lightly that day.

If you have a lot of times when you end up going out to dinner, and you didn't know in advance, try starting your daily point count with dinner. That one tiny change really saved me and even though we almost never go out to dinner anymore, I still do it that way.

OTOH, if you have contingency plans, backup plans, etc. but don't follow them, then you might need to do some soul-searching to figure out what's going on. I found that just deciding to change the way I behave wasn't enough. Things would happen and I'd be right back in the same old habits, even after months of following my new ones. The only thing that helped was finding out why I was acting that way.

Judy, the main thing is not to give up. We've all been through times that are tough, times when we've wondered if we can really do this. The whole philosophy behind the turtle club is precisely aimed at that issue. We know we can, if we just keep plodding along. Even if the plodding seems off track, we've found that the sidetrack we've gotten on usually leads to a better ability to get where we want to go. As long as we keep going forward. Good luck! You're doing this, even if it may seem like you're not. Because you're working on working out the problem, solving it, and moving on.

Mousie, I like your suggestion about celebrations and how to deal with them. It reminds me of the great advice a leader posted on another thread one day about restaurant eating. She said that if you're going out just so you don't have to cook dinner (basically to replace a regular, daily meal at home), eat the way you would have at home. If it's really a celebration, then go ahead and plan for a little splurge.

I also applaud your dh for having the courage to take your scale away when it became obvious you needed a break. I think your obsession may recede as your life gets back to normal. It's easy for us larger folk to obsess about the scale and weight loss stuff when life gets uncertain. It's almost a comforting thing because we've spent so many years worrying about it, trying to change it, etc. It's also something that gives us a feeling of control, even if it's only illusionary.

Congrats on the positive changes in your life.

Lauren, I know exactly what you mean about restaurant food. No matter how good my choices are, I can't change the way cooks in restaurants cook their food. That means more sodium than I would add to my food. And, usually, more fat. So, I'm really not unhappy that we can't afford to eat out very often. First, it's a real treat when we do and second, my weight loss is steadier.

I haven't gotten in my walk for the past couple of days. I'm surprised that I miss it. I don't know if I'll be able to go tomorrow or not. It may be Wednesday before I can do it again.

Our car's transmission isn't working properly. The first place we took it to ended up being super expensive. It cost us a lot just to get the estimate and they didn't really do anything. Paul is taking it to another place tomorrow. They gave us a quote of a little less than half of what the first place wanted for the same work.

The problem is that after being forced to move and pay deposits, etc. when we weren't planning and saving for it, plus being out of work for three months, has left us really tapped out. This is the first month I actually was going to have some money left over to start building a savings account with. But not as much as the repair is likely to cost. I hate to sound like I'm complaining, but couldn't something good happen to us for a change?

There's a thread someone posted somewhere asking how much a person is supposed to take. I resisted posting "a lot more than you've had to deal with", since her tale didn't have nearly as much woe in it as my year has held. II hope that last sentence didn't sound mean or petty. I didn't mean it in a nasty way, just that perhaps some perspective is needed. I know that there are a lot of people in worse circumstances than I'm in, but I keep hoping that this is as bad as it will get for us. And that I'm not being prepared for having to handle something much worse. I have a new motto that is exactly designed to deal with that feeling.

"Just do what's next."

It's the answer to everything because it keeps you in the moment. You can't change the past and you can't get to the future. So, what's next is all there is. It's helped me stop worrying too much, if I manage to think of the motto when I'm worrying. It's great for WW, too. No matter what you've done, if you figure out what's next--drink a glass of water, eat a 5 point lunch, go for a walk, track your stuff, etc. and do it, you'll automaticaly be OP.

Happy turtlin'! :)

Lin
272/243/135 or so

mousie
10-16-2001, 10:21 AM
Lin, I think you have every right to sound "whiny" occasionally! (Which, btw, you don't). You've had a hard, hard year, and it doesn't seem to be easing up. Feel sorry for yourself, nurture yourself. Take care of yourself.

There's a quote from Mother Teresa that goes something like, "I know God won't give me anything I can't handle. I just wish He didn't trust me so much." Adds a bit of humor to the situation, at least!

There's also a quote in my marathon book, something like your "just do what's next". A runner said that it really helped her to think, "just run until it's time to stop." I appreciate that idea, and it's becoming my "keep going" mantra. Is it time to stop? No? So, I keep going. Works brilliantly.

I'll shuttle some of our good karma your way, Lin. We're got spare karma, now! The difference in us is amazing--DH is exercising again, he's sleeping, he's playful, he wants to take part in "our" life. I'm happy. :):):)

Lin S
10-16-2001, 07:42 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Mousie, thank you. My dh and I both appreciated that quote.

I'm so glad your dh is so much better. Being out of work makes you depressed and it's very difficult. My dh was gaining weight and it was starting to scare me because I worry about his health. But he's just about lost it all. His access to junk food has been severely restricted. Not deliberately, just due to circumstances.

Thanks for the spare karma. Now, if only you can direct it to someone who will hear about our problem and loan us a car for about three months. That will allow us to save up enough money to get ours fixed. Meanwhile, my dh has to drive it the way it is, unless he can manage to communicate well enough with the non-English speaking coworker who lives in our neighborhood. Maybe he'll accept some gas money in exchange for a ride. But, we'll have to see if that works.

I walked for about an hour and a half this afternoon. Sometimes I think that my journal and my walks are what's holding me together. I'm still OP, but it's PMS and I'm very uncomfortable due to water retention. The stress doesn't help, but I'm not going nuts. I mainly need to be sure to get in that walk. The activity points seem to be enough to cover that slightly larger appetite I have during the week prior to TOM.

I know that things will work out eventually. They always do, but I still wish that I'd get some good news that is the equivalent in good as the bad news we've had all year was bad. Does that convoluted sentence make sense? I hope so.

Hope all of you are doing great!

Happy turtlin'! :D

Lin
272/243/135 or so

Lauren H
10-16-2001, 11:28 PM
Hi, turtles.

Lin, wow, a 90-minute walk! That's great. I know what it's like to have a car need expensive repairs and not know how you're going to pay for them. I hope the carpooling can work out. Maybe your husband can find an interpreter at work? Anyway, hang in there, and remember -- things always look worst when you're PMSing. You *have* had some good news this year; DH is employed, you're both healthy, you're back on track, you've had some wonderful breakthroughs, you're doing creative work, you're not working in a job you hate, your sons are OK. Sometimes it's hard to see the forest for the trees.

I'm especially thinking about this because of our WW meeting tonight. Our leader, Pam, talked about how easy it is for us to see what we do that's wrong, and how counterproductive that is to our eventual success. She said that feeling successful breeds success. So this week, we're supposed to write down one successful thing that we did each day and not focus at all on any failures. I think she's right. I am by nature a self critic and somewhat of a perfectionist (in some things, not at all in others), and I'm quick to see the dark side of life. It's something else I want to work on.

(Lin, I'm not at all trying to downplay the very real difficulties you're experiencing.)

Mousie, loved the quotation.

Well, I was up a pound on my home scales and exactly the same as last week on the WW scales. Over the past week I banked 17 points and worked out for 4.5 hours, so I'm guessing it's just hormones. On the other hand, it may also be time for me to drop down another range. I usually have to do that sooner than WW tells me to. I'll see how the next month goes.

Onward and downward,

Lauren
279/213.6/199 by Christmas (WW scales, evening)

Lin S
10-17-2001, 04:34 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Lauren, you're right in pointing out that I've been focusing on the negative this week. Thanks! It's hormones, partly and partly that it takes me a while to gain perspective when major things go wrong. I can almost tell you to the day when I will regain my optimistic perspective on life. It's mainly PMS that does this to me. The calcium and stuff helps, but it doesn't make it go away completely.

I've been walking between one and two hours most days lately. Most of my walks seem to be averaging about 90 minutes. I'm surprised because I didn't know I could walk that long. My legs have been really hurting lately (varicose veins from pregnancy), but when I walk, they don't ache like that. I realized what the main difference is between when I didn't want to walk and now. My new shoes! I guess my old ones were in worse shape than I realized.

You probably ought to wait and see if your lack of weight loss is hormones before you drop a point range. Staying the same during PMS is usually a sign that you've really lost some and it's being masked by water retention. I know I'm super bloated even though I'm completely OP.

Today is going fine. We're telling everyone we know about our car problem. We're hoping to find someone who can loan us a car to use for two or three months, until we can get ours fixed. I don't know if that will happen, but if we don't try, it certainly won't. If it doesn't, Paul will drive our car to work as long as it holds up. And hopefully when it finally dies, it will be in a parking lot or the garage. Other than that, we're staying home and walking to the grocery store so we don't use the car more than we have to.

If my dh can make up the two days he missed, we may be able to get it fixed in November, otherwise it will be December. I'm not sure that the car will hold up that long. So, any positive vibes, prayers, good thoughts you send to my car will be welcome.

Other than that, things are going well. I'm right OP. I don't expect a loss this week because of PMS water retention. But if I can keep a handle on the occasional wanting to eat thing, I'll do OK. I can tell when it's PMS vs. hunger because I want specific foods, rather than just feeling hungry and deciding what to eat. The calcium has lessened my cravings a lot. I only get them for a couple of days, instead of for as long as two weeks. And it's easier to control them. I find that I can say to myself that it's PMS cravings and wait until I really am hungry. Then decide what I want. What's odd is that I often eat something entirely different from what I thought I wanted, and am perfectly satisfied. This is weird. I've never been able to do that before.

Hope things are well with you all.

Happy turtlin'! :D

Lin
272/243/135 or so

Itryharder
10-18-2001, 09:58 PM
Hi Guys!
My computer at work is no longer connected to the internet, so I can't get online during my lunchtime. Ugh. So, if I don't get to you as much as I have been, know I'm with you in spirit anyway.
I have great news. Each day I had a challenge and I persisted.
At WW I reversed the trend and lost a whopping three pounds. I don't know if that puts me back to where I was six weeks ago, but I'm afraid to look and find out. I'm happy that I did so very well. I am persisting through the days and keeping everything you all mentioned in mind. Thank you so much.

Lin,
Things will get better. You have had that amazing breakthrough with your family history when you were a child and that is going to make the whole rest of your life so much better. It is only normal to think life stinks when you have so many adversities so close together. You'll feel better soon. In the meantime, all that walking is just terrific.

Lauren,
I am really going to school on you. Right now I am trying to eat at the low end of my range. I bet you're right that it's almost time to drop into the next lower range. Ever think you'd feel great about having less to eat? Look at what you're accomplishing.

Gotta run--I'm beat--but I wanted to say hello.
Love,
Judy
234/thinner/199 by Christmas
;) ;)

Lin S
10-19-2001, 02:38 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Judy, congratulations on that three pounds! Woo hoo!! Way to go!

Don't worry about whether or not you're back where you were. The important thing is that you met your challenges and are back on track.

I'm just checking in today. I've still been walking, but it's TOM and I probably will not walk as far for the next couple of days. I wake up several times during the night at this time and it leaves me really wiped out for a few days. So, I'm going for a short walk to pick up a couple of necessities at the store.

I've used a few banked points today. I have plenty to cover my slightly increased appetite. What's cool is that I haven't been having binge-like cravings for chocolate or potato chips or anything else. Just wanting to eat a little bit more, but not so much that banked points won't cover. And it's only been a day or so, not two whole weeks of this.

So, I'm on track. And everything else is about the same.

Hope everyone is doing fine.

Happy turtlin'! :)

Lin
272/243/135 or so

Itryharder
10-20-2001, 11:38 AM
Hi,
Am on my way to a baby shower/Halloween party. Don't ask! I like the people, so it should be fun. Another eating challenge.
I've got my box of raisins and a WW 2point bar with me and I'll run out to the car and eat them if I have to. If the other food is too expensive to consume right now. I'm comparing WW to being on a food budget of points--some things just aren't worth having to pay off in added pounds, etc. for the few delicious tastes they provide.

Lin,
Good idea to keep others posted--someone may just have a car they're not using, etc. I hope this obstacle gets removed quickly.
Good luck with your PMSing, etc.

Everybody--good luck--I'm sorry I'm so rushed lately, but I'll get back to this shortly.

Love and good vibes,
Judy
234/thinner:dizzy:

Lin S
10-20-2001, 07:02 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Judy, I hope you had fun at the party. Your plan is a good one, bringing alternate food in case what's served doesn't fit into your point range.

I like your food budget idea. It's a good way to look at it. I do a similar thing, but don't have a particular name for it. Just deciding whether it's worth the points or not. Sometimes I eat one bite and it's not. So I toss it or leave it on my plate. I'm stingy about my points. I refuse to waste them on food that I don't like.

Today is going fine. I'm still using a few banked points, but I think that by tomorrow or the next day I will be eating within my range again. I am getting in a short walk each day. Monday will probably be the first day back to my new, rambling walking routine.

Tomorrow is my weigh-in day. I'll check back and let you know how it goes. I may be up a bit because as of right now, I'm still bloated. It takes a few days for that to go away.

Hope everyone is having a great weekend.

Happy turtlin'! :D

Lin
272/243/135 or so

Lin S
10-21-2001, 06:39 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Just checking in, since today is my weigh-in day.

I'm down a pound, despite it being TOM! Hard to believe, but there it is. I'm happy with that loss. That's three pounds this month. It's slow, but that's why I'm a turtle. ;)

I'm not using my banked points today. I used them for the past couple of days because I was hungry in the evening, which is unusual for me. But last night, I wasn't hungry, so I guess my appetite is back to normal.

I'm going for a walk after I finish this post. My son may come with me, so it will probably be a long one. He always does a lot of walking. His legs are about twice as long as mine, so I really have to push to keep up. He gives me a real workout and some company while I walk.

Gotta go. Hope you're having a great weekend.

Happy turtlin'! :)

Lin
272/242/135 or so

Itryharder
10-22-2001, 09:26 PM
Lin,
Congrats on being down a whole pound, especially during TOM!
That's wonderful. Isn't it great seeing your weight go in the direction you want? Three pounds for the month is considerabe and I don't hear you saying you are miserable or hating the food you're eating, etc. so that's all a very good thing.

Lauren, Mousie, Kimmers, Kathy, and All,
Take care out there and keep on keepin' on.

I've had a busy week. Too much to do too much of the time. I am keeping my WW program at the forefront which is what I *have* to do or I gain weight. It takes about ten minutes to pack all the food I eat for breakfast, snacks, and lunch. It's well worth it because that's what keeps me on track daily.

Last week at my WW meeting we had a substitute speaker. At first I was disappointed because I love my regular lecturer, but this one had good things to say too. She posted a list of words:
These are the ones I remember: choice, risk, persist, change,
faith, trust, --that's about it. I should have written them down.
She said that using different words and actions to suit the situation we're in can help us reach goal. She plateaued for 22 weeks because when she lost, she celebrated by eating. Then she'd gain a pound and have to work extra hard to get it off.
I bet many of us have done that. I certainly have.
As I said before, I realize how many times I am not in control of the food being served and it's up to me to persist, to plan and to carry out the ideas I know will work best for me in WW.

Good luck to all of us on this interesting journey to self-understanding and weight loss.

Judy
234/thinner/ 199 by Christmas!!!!;) :cool:

Lauren H
10-22-2001, 11:54 PM
Hey, Lin, way to go on that pound down, even with TOM! Woo-hoo! :)

Judy, WAY TO GO on sticking with the program and peeling off those 3 pounds! :) Awesome! That story about the 22-month plateau really hits home for me. It doesn't take much for me to lose focus, that's for sure. I've been doing OK but not great for the past week or so, mostly due to eating out a lot. We were in Columbus this past weekend with friends, and they didn't eat terribly healthy (and we ate what they did). Between that and TOM looming, I think I'll be up this week. Of course, I thought that last week, too, but I really think it's the case now. I'm also finding that my journaling is slipping. Hmmmmmmm. :dz:

At least I've kept up the exercise, which is good. In Columbus we got good walks in both days -- more than an hour one day (leisurely pace) and about 30 minutes the next (brisk pace). Good thing, because I didn't get in my Friday workout or today's. I've learned I just have to grab time to exercise or it won't happen.

Onward and downward,

Lauren

Lauren H
10-23-2001, 10:08 AM
Well, my home weigh-in has me down another pound. I'm not complaining. Must be the exercise.

Onward and downward,

Lauren
274/208/199 by Christmas (home scales, morning)

Lin S
10-23-2001, 06:03 PM
Hi, Turtles,

Judy, you hit the nail right on the head (if you'll all pardon the cliche) when you said that this is a journey to self-understanding and weight loss. I know that the better I understand myself, the more successful I am with my weight loss. Mainly because when things aren't going well, I can't change the situation unless I understand it.

Lauren, great job on the exercise. It makes more of a difference than anything. I'm sure that my walking, added to the supplements, is what made the most difference for me with this past week. And congrats on the pound. I think you're going to hit that 199 by your Christmas goal, if you keep on going the way you have been. That's so great.

I'd love to be below 200 by next Christmas (2002). That's a real possibility, if I can stick with this pound a week average I'm starting to see. (My fantasy is to get to my goal by then, but unless the rate at which the pounds go away speeds up, that won't happen. It's OK with me, obviously, since I said this was a fantasy.)

I just got back from my walk. I seem to be going about an hour and a half. I ate more points at dinner last night than I usually do, but found it easy to make them up by eating less this morning because I wasn't as hungry. I thought I was coming down with the flu yesterday, but it turned out that all I needed was some extra sleep. I'm fine today.

Things are going just fine. My oldest son is off maneuvering his way through the inadequate public transportation system in this town. He has to get to a specific lab for a standard drug test. When he passes, he has a job. And his boss said there's no problem with him having the two weekdays off he needs because he has to be in SJ those days. Life is going better for him.

My other son is doing better in school than he thought he was. He's passing all of his classes except one. And he's working with his teacher in the class he's having difficulty with. He really admires this teacher. He says she's brilliant, but really hard. It's unusual for a kid to like a teacher who is flunking him. :lol:

My dh's boss is letting him make up one of the days he missed, which will help us in our quest to save enough to get the car fixed. My dh is considering buying a cheap used car from one of those places where it doesn't matter if your credit is awful or not. Then using that car until we can get this one fixed, and we'll have two cars. I'm a little dubious, but I'm willing to check into it in November when we'll have some money set aside we could use for taxes, insurance, etc.

So, things are much better. Can you tell TOM is past it's worst part? I'm my old, optimistic self. I assume things will be better, somehow.

Hope everyone is having a great day.

Happy turtlin'! :cool:

Lin
272/242/135 or so

Itryharder
10-23-2001, 08:12 PM
Lauren,
You are so amazing! Weigh to go. I see that Christmas goal coming to be and that's fabulous. Four months ago you weren't thinking this positive way and now you are willing to discover what makes the weight go away and do it. Yoda-izing (thanks to Kimmers for the inspiration and allowing me to make a verb out of a noun) is the way to go. We are all *doing* this. I jumped on the band wagon again when I realized you and Lin were having such good success. I love that you are exercising so much. I'm very close to making that part of my program again.

Lin,
Glad your dh is still thinking about car situation. It would be great for you to have wheels again. I love that you are setting a
goal for yourself for next year. The way I look at it, if a goal is too restrictive and punishing and unobtainable then it is self-defeating. But if it is achievable and takes into consideration the craziness that is part of life more often than not, it is helpful. Something good to look forward to--something to shoot for.
It is terrific that you and son are doing well and high school son is tackling his studies the way he is. I offer good vibes and prayers all around. Again--the exercising is just great and I am so happy for you.

All,
Tomorrow I have WW meeting again. This has been another good week. By default I did a Wendie's type program although it wasn't planned that way. We'll see how I make out on the scales. Here at home it looks like I have stayed the same. It would be great to lose 1/2 pound or so, but I don't want to get my hopes up too high.
I've been bringing hard boiled eggs to work as well as lots of other stuff. I shell the egg and throw out the yolk when I feel like I need a little protein. It's helping me keep my appetite in check and that's always a good thing.
Love and good vibes to you all,
Judy
234/thinner/199 By Christmas~~~:cool: ;)

Itryharder
10-24-2001, 08:15 PM
Hi--
Just a quicky. I went to WW and was up 1/4#. How weird . I am disappointed and yet here I am weighing around 210#. Up 1/4#
is bad, down 1/2# is fine. Go figure. I'm journaling everything I eat, but it hasn't been too balanced since my meeting. I'm going to have a cup of tea, stop eating, and start crocheting.
Hey Mousie--sorry I gave Kimmers credit for the Yoda saying. Hope all you guys are doing well.
Judy
234/thinner/199# by Christmas!:( :p

Lauren H
10-25-2001, 01:44 PM
time to start a new thread, see you there ...

--Lauren