Does it Work? - I'm using Bacteroidetes bacteria...




Ronny
01-03-2007, 05:34 PM
I'm using Bacteroidetes bacteria. I've been taking the bacteria for 3 weeks.
Iíll keep everyone posted on my results. As to-date I've lost 6 LBS. My routine hasn't changed but made it threw the holidays without gaining weight.
:carrot:


Ronny
01-03-2007, 05:42 PM
WASHINGTON - Maybe it's germs that are making you fat. Researchers found a strong connection between obesity and the levels of certain types of bacteria in the gut. That could mean that someday there will be novel new ways of treating obesity that go beyond the standard advice of diet and exercise.

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According to two studies being published in Thursday's issue of the journal Nature, both obese mice and people had more of one type of bacteria and less of another kind.

A "microbial component" appears to contribute to obesity, said study lead author Jeffrey Gordon, director of Washington University's Center for Genome Sciences.

Obese humans and mice had a lower percentage of a family of bacteria called Bacteroidetes and more of a type of bacteria called Firmicutes, Gordon and his colleagues found.

The researchers aren't sure if more Firmicutes makes you fat or if people who are obese grow more of that type of bacteria.

But growing evidence of this link gives scientists a potentially new and still distant way of fighting obesity: Change the bacteria in the intestines and stomach. It also may lead to a way of fighting malnutrition in the developing world.

"We are getting more and more evidence to show that obesity isn't what we thought it used to be," said Nikhil Dhurandhar, a professor of infection and obesity at Louisiana State University's Pennington Biomedical Research Center.

"It isn't just (that) you're eating too much and you're lazy."

Dhurandhar wasn't part of the research, but said it may change the way obesity is treated eventually.

He said the field of "infectobesity" looks at obesity with multiple causes, including viruses and microbes. In another decade or so, the different causes of obesity could have different treatments. The current regimen of diet and exercise "is like treating all fevers with one aspirin," Dhurandhar said.

In one of the two studies in Nature, Gordon and colleagues looked at what happened in mice with changes in bacteria level. When lean mice with no germs in their guts had larger ratios of Firmicutes transplanted, they got "twice as fat" and took in more calories from the same amount of food than mice with the more normal bacteria ratio, said Washington University microbiology instructor Ruth Ley, a study co-author.

It was as if one group got far more calories from the same bowl of Cheerios than the other, Gordon said.

In a study of dozen dieting people, the results also were dramatic.

Before dieting, about 3 percent of the gut bacteria in the obese participants was Bacteroidetes. But after dieting, the now normal-sized people had much higher levels of Bacteroidetes — close to 15 percent, Gordon said.

"I think that gut bacteria affects body weight," said Virginia Commonwealth University pathology professor Richard Atkinson, who wasn't part of the research team and is president of Obetech Obesity Research Center in Richmond. "I don't think there's any doubt about that and they showed that."

The growing field of research puts more importance in the trillions of microbes that live in our guts and elsewhere, crediting it with everything from generations of people getting taller to increases in diabetes and asthma.

People are born germ-free, but within days they have a gut blooming with microbes. The microbes come from first foods — either breast milk or formula — the exterior environment, and the way the babies are born, said Stanford University medicine and microbiology professor David Relman, who was not part of the study.

For decades, doctors have treated bacteria in a "warlike" manner, yet recent research shows that "most encounters we have with microbes are very beneficial," Gordon said.

"Much of who we are and what we can do and can't do as human beings is directly related to microbial inhabitants," Relman said.

alinnell
01-03-2007, 06:01 PM
In what form are you getting these Bacteroidetes bacteria? I know you can get some kinds of bateria from food and/or capsule form, but I've never seen this kind.


Suzanne 3FC
01-03-2007, 06:40 PM
I don't think I'd rush into anything. I've read several articles about this recently, and they don't say that taking the bacteria will help your weight. There don't seem to be any published studies having proven that yet. What they seem to be saying is that losing weight appears to contribute to naturally producing normal amounts of it.

When I read the article, I thought OMG, how many supplement companies are going to jump on this and stretch it into a sales pitch for something we don't know anything about yet :eek: The whole thing is in a very "iffy" stage. I'd suggest we wait a while and see what the published studies say.

Ronny
01-03-2007, 06:43 PM
The bacteria is a powder. It is not the bacteria found in yogurt.
My family doctor made me aware of it. And referred me to a company that
makes medical bacteria.It is the same bacteria that Washington University's
used for the study.

Ronny
01-03-2007, 06:49 PM
As to-date I've lost 6 LBS (3 WKS).My routine hasn't changed but made it threw the holidays without gaining weight. Only 1 in 500 make
the holidays without some weight gain.

Jasmine31
01-03-2007, 07:16 PM
Well good luck with that. I find that healthy eating and exercise work best long term. ;)

alinnell
01-03-2007, 07:21 PM
Well good luck with that. I find that healthy eating and exercise work best long term. ;)

I agree whole-heartedly. However, I also suffer from IBS and am looking into probiotics to help with that problem. I have found a couple things that I'm going to buy (currently I just eat yogurt daily) but was wondering if you could really BUY this stuff.

I read the articles last week or so when they came out and I thought to myself that someone would jump on the bandwagon to try and market something with this name.....people always want an easy out. But if dieting actually does reduce the amount of this bacteria in your gut, then what can you do to naturally enhance it? Some of the articles suggested smaller, more frequent meals. I don't know why that would work.

Ronny
01-03-2007, 07:40 PM
I work out 3-4 days per week for 60 min. I eat reasonably responsible.
But what is wrong with a little bacteria help, along with eating properly and exercise.

alinnell
01-03-2007, 07:51 PM
I work out 3-4 days per week for 60 min. I eat reasonably responsible.
But what is wrong with a little bacteria help, along with eating properly and exercise.

I don't think you're understanding me. I had said that someone would try and market this as soon as the word came out--yet I haven't actually seen it myself so I wonder where it can be obtained.

Obviously what you are doing (eating properly and exercising) is working for you and getting a little bacteria help wouldn't be a bad thing. As I said earlier, I do eat yogurt to get that king of bacteria in my system. I wonder if having more of this other bacteria would also benefit me any my IBS. When you suffer like I do with painful bouts of IBS related problems, I latch onto whatever might be beneficial. Some of the previous things I have tried have not worked, but there is one supplement that I take that helps me about 80% of the time. I have the name of a new product that I plan to buy as soon as I get to the nutrition store.

MariaMaria
01-03-2007, 08:31 PM
You came in here and started pushing hard on the bacteria, Ronny. What's your interest in the product/company?

Heather
01-03-2007, 10:00 PM
I'm a little confused. Some bacteria is good for us and some is bad for us, right?

Also, I don't know where the article you included came from (you offered no citation. I suppose I could google it, but am too lazy right now). The article said: "The researchers aren't sure if more Firmicutes makes you fat or if people who are obese grow more of that type of bacteria." The research on the mice looked like an experiment, but in the people, that is not a true experimental design, so causation can't be established.

In other words, there is a correlation between the bacteria and obesity, but they don't yet know if this is a causal relationship. It is very well established that correlation does not imply causation (at least, that's what I tell my research design students over and over and over again.)

The article doesn't really say that we know the bacteria is good for you OR that it CAUSES weight loss. I'd say it's certainly possible that adding the bacteria is bad... for you and your wallet.

If you're eating right and exercise, isn't it also possible that's the cause of your weight loss?

For me, I'd want to see more research before I plunked down my money.

AnAbsoluteDiva
01-03-2007, 10:10 PM
Wyllen,

The report was released sometime last week, but the bottom line is that although this happened with mice, the truth of the matter is that we absorb the nutrients, including the calories and fat, at the small intestine. This bacteria sits in the large intestine. The problem among obese folks is not there (at the large intestine).

To market this as a weight-loss remedy is yet one more assault on a population that already is desperate, spends way too much money looking for quick-fixes, and has a soul full of hope.

The answer to weight loss is to BURN MORE THAN YOU CONSUME! And that advice is free, easy to follow, and available to anyone.

The NIH has said that less than .001 of the obese population has an illness that PREVENTS THEM FROM LOSING WEIGHT. However, that same population is the sickest group in our society and will soon beat out cancer as cause of death.

It is an epidemic! So rather than look for fancy pills and powders and belts and straps, we ought to hit the schools and fight for better choices in cafeterias; demand that restaurants and fast food joints offer better fare (turkey burger anyone?); insist that the Department of Education fund SERIOUS nutrition classes as freely as they fund football and basketball!

It's all up to us and we can make a difference. Who better than people living with it to be the voice?

Heather
01-03-2007, 10:15 PM
Diva -- Thanks for the explanation. Makes me wonder then, if the mechanism is different with mice?

Anyway, I appreciate the quick reply!

nelie
01-03-2007, 10:31 PM
Diva,
You are absolutely right. The weight loss industry is a multi billion dollar industry that thrives on its own failure. I remember hearing a few years ago about Leptin but didn't read much about it. Recently, I've been reading "You: On a diet" that says that Leptin did help rats lose weight. In humans though, Leptin will only have limited effects. The reasons being that most overweight people have enough leptin in their system already but they have either developed a resistance and/or their pleasure hormones cancel out the effects of leptin. I thought it was interesting that losing weight was linked to increasing sensitivity to leptin. It is a catch 22. In order to help us maintain our weight, our body needs us to not be obese. Anyway, until I see solid research backed proof and medical community support on any supplement, I'm not wasting my money.

CLCSC145
01-03-2007, 10:41 PM
The weight loss industry is a multi billion dollar industry that thrives on its own failure.

That's really well put, Nelie.

AnAbsoluteDiva
01-03-2007, 11:13 PM
Diva -- Thanks for the explanation. Makes me wonder then, if the mechanism is different with mice?

Anyway, I appreciate the quick reply!

Ever see the stomach of a mouse? LOL The experiment failed with cats in Asia, and cats are more like us than mice are. However, the US does not do animal testing on cats.

AnAbsoluteDiva
01-03-2007, 11:16 PM
Diva,
You are absolutely right. The weight loss industry is a multi billion dollar industry that thrives on its own failure. ... Anyway, until I see solid research backed proof and medical community support on any supplement, I'm not wasting my money.

And Nelie, you know what else? At the risk of really making everyone here throw rotten tomatoes at me, I am SICK of Oprah touting yet another fad diet! (Don't even get me going on YOU on a diet.)

Good God! If everything she promotes works so well, why is SHE on a new one every other year? I love O to death, but girlfriend needs to get a grip and understand that even the wealthy have to count calories!

Obesity does not discriminate!

alinnell
01-04-2007, 12:08 PM
Just as Nelie said that the diet industry thrives on our failures, they are now having to pay for it!

WASHINGTON - The Federal Trade Commission on Thursday fined the marketers of four weight loss pills millions of dollars for making false advertising claims ranging from rapid weight loss to reducing the risk of cancer.

The rest of the article is here:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/16467558/

AnAbsoluteDiva
01-04-2007, 01:07 PM
Well, it's about time! I'm waiting for that one where they mail you your food to get nailed right along with Jenny. Any diet that has you buy THEIR food for BEST results is a scam! Plain and simple!!!

jillybean720
01-04-2007, 01:34 PM
Funny...I didn't take any pills or powders or specialty drinks or what have you, and I LOST weight over the holidays. Funny how I didn't need anything magical to help me do that other than some self control, portion control, planning, and exercise :chin:

It seems to me researchers are contantly looking for new things to blame for the obesity epidemic. When will they stop blaming things and just fix things? Healthy diet and increased exercise--millions have lost weight this way regardless of whether or not there was some sort of bacterial imbalance.

Mami
01-04-2007, 02:04 PM
Someone questionned where the article was published..I read the article in the New York Times.

MariaMaria
01-04-2007, 02:56 PM
I'm the one who asked what Ronny's interest is. She's posted five times here, and all five are about this magic bacteria that she somehow is able to get even though it's not, like, sold publically. (Of course her family doctor has some special connection to chemical labs that supply research institutions and also has research-depth knowledge of cutting-edge bariatrics--just like all family practice doctors. Of course.)

It'd be rude to call her a cheap spammer, but to ask what's up with the most stereotyped online marketing scam (new user shows up and has some magic product or site and only talks about that product or site, and disappears when called on it)? Not rude, IMO. Let's see whether she comes back and posts on any topic other than magic bacteria before calling me the problem, Mami.

(FWIW, no, I'm not angry or upset at you.)

4myloves
01-04-2007, 03:40 PM
Let's see whether she comes back and posts on any topic other than magic bacteria before calling me the problem, Mami.

(FWIW, no, I'm not angry or upset at you.)

You come across as angry and/or upset in this post.

Mami didn't "call you the problem" in her post. She simply asked that everyone give this "Ronny" person a chance before judging. From reading the posts and checking out "Ronny"'s profile (which is barren) I would guess that this person is a spammer (I apologize to you Ronny, if not so!!).

BUT, you'll notice, I'm sure, that the second person who posted on this thread is our very own Suzanne, so she's obviously aware that this thread is here in the "DOES IT WORK" forum, which is dedicated to discussing all types of "products."

Ronny
01-10-2007, 11:31 AM
Up-date , I'm still using Bacteroidetes bacteria. I've been taking the bacteria for 4 weeks now.
Steped up my work outs by 25%,4 days a week 45 min per day. Lost 2 more pounds for a total of 8 lbs.
My goal is a total of 25 lbs to lose.

4myloves
01-10-2007, 11:46 AM
Congratulations Ronny!

Sounds like the exercise is a major factor--I bet you FEEL great, too!!

AquaWarlock
01-10-2007, 01:35 PM
I agree with Maria that it's odd the original poster joined 3FC just to push bacteria pills/powder.

But in any case, I'll note that correlations does NOT equal causation. As the original article notes, they are not sure if putting more bacteria in the system can make people fatter/thinner or if fatter/thinner people, due to their body's chemistry, are killing off/fostering these special buggers.

And of course, i'll agree with everyone that the tried and true method of diet & exercise works best.

Funny...I didn't take any pills or powders or specialty drinks or what have you, and I LOST weight over the holidays. Funny how I didn't need anything magical to help me do that other than some self control, portion control, planning, and exercise :chin:

and High Five, Jill - I lost over the holidays too! and no magical assistance here either -- though I might need some for the $$ to buy new clothes, har har!

pumpingiron
01-11-2007, 06:37 PM
I don't use bacteria for weight loss. I use it (probiotics) for enhanced immunity and I find that they work wonderful for this. They have been around as a supplement for a long time, just check your health food store. Weight loss aid???? Puh-lease....... I wouldn't buy from someone who claims that that is the sole purpose. Yes, they are the same bacteria found in yogurt, but there is some discrepency as to weather or not many of the bacteria found in yogurt actually survive your stomach acid. I take probiotics in pill form (not faithfully every day) from Trader Joes. As I said.....they sure help the immune system. My kids bring home all kinds of illness from school and daycare and I just get a minor cold. Bottom line-It is good practice not to take any supplement for the sheer purpose of weight loss. All you need is a healthy diet and some good ol' exercise (and determination to do it just for yourself) for that.
I'll get off the soapbox now........

madiwy
01-17-2007, 03:48 PM
wow there seems to be a lot of anger from everyone on this post.

earlier i did a search to see if anything was posted about this and someone pointed me to this thread. I also believe in excercise and eating healthy, but also struggle with weight loss big time. I currently jog for an hour 5 days a week and have been eating few calories as I am on the fat smash diet. I have only lost 2 pounds in 10 days. now that is soooo slow. i could gain those two pounds by just one wrong food item(it seems) This is the story of my life I have been 20 to 30 pounds overweight my entire life and always feel like such a failure. But when I ask my fellow thin friends none of them and I mean none do much at all to keep thin. Oh some say the work out once or twice a week and watch what they eat but they do not do what I do. before the holidays I was on weight watchers. again worked out 5 days a week (hard) ate very healthy followed the plan to a T and only lost 3 pounds in 3 months. How can anyone stay on a strick program when there is no motivation no success. So when I see an article like this it makes me curious that maybe I am not the failure. Maybe I do have a proness to being fat. Oh and the other thing I am soooooo sick of and many of you will say it too is that there is no way i have been following the plan I must be sneaking fooood. If one more doctor tells me that i will scream. I honestly dont and I honestly dont lose the weight so when Isee people put down the simple formula eat less excercise more I am like ----Iam and it is still not coming off. So anyway I guess I just wish people werent so angry and more forgiving. And I still am curious about this study. There I said it so hate me if you want, say I am lazy and just looking for an easy way out, but I am tired of being overwieght and conventional methods are not working. OH and yes I have had a full blood workup and I dont have any health issues or thyroid issues.

nelie
01-17-2007, 04:03 PM
I don't think there is anger here but I think there is realism. People will try to sell you whatever if they can and the best way to sell some supplement is to say that it will help you lose weight.

Now for your case, 2 lbs in 10 days is really good. Trust me, I know. I can go weeks/months even over a year without losing a lb. At the beginning of last year, I decided to try really hard to lose weight. I went 3 months with proper eating and exercise and didn't lose a lb. Then around the 3rd month, I lost 1 lb. Then the weight came off a little quicker after that.

A couple things to remember is that calories count no matter what plan you are on. Have you counted and tracked your calories?

Your body also can get very efficient at a specific exercise if that is all you do. Have you tried mixing up your workouts? Have you done weights?

We know for a fact that weight loss comes from eating less calories and increasing activity. Everything else is iffy. Even things that have burn calories make a very minimal effect.