Support Groups - Hot & Healthy Challenge Chick's 12/26/06 !!




Jasmine31
12-26-2006, 01:15 PM
Come in here!!!


Jasmine31
12-26-2006, 01:20 PM
stopeating:

Merry X~mas to you too!!

ennay:

Merry Xmas! I got out of touch for awhile and overwhelmed by the posts but I am still mostly back on track.

I have got to figure out what to do when my exercise gets sidelined. I am DEFINITELY one of those people who has exercise controlled depression. And it takes quite a bit of INTENSE exercise too. So when my exercise got sidelined the last 2 weeks with my son's illness, by the end of last week I was a basket case. - Hence my dropping out of this particular thread...dont ask me why but depression makes me do that. Ignore the people who could give me support.

Aww hun! I am glad you are back! I hope your son is doing better!

Got my 3rd run in 3 days in this morning and I am starting to feel human again.

Hooray!!

I do have to figure out a strategy for dealing when I cant exercise. Last year I sprained my ankle very badly..couldnt walk, run, swim or bike with it and it took about 3 months to heal....and by the end I was on the verge of divorce I was so freaking out of control.

Oh man! Maybe lifting weights and crunches?

Anyway a very merry Xmas to all.

Same to you!!

Calejo:

And to all of us... MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!

Same to you hun!!

ennay
12-26-2006, 01:24 PM
ok, new thread, maybe I can keep up!

dh is off this week so going to try to get back to the gym, next week I'll be taking my son back to the gym...kind of scared too.


Jasmine31
12-26-2006, 01:45 PM
Okay ladies well I am still alive after the holiday season, oh wait, it is NOT over yet! Uh oh! :lol: Well a few days ago despite all the bad days I was actually down half a pound! I am not even recording in fitday how yesterday was cause there was chocolates and cookies here and there! I am going to try to get back on track today!

Please everyone be praying for me tonite, I have to go back to the dentist! Arrggghhh!!! I have to have two pulled and please be praying that everything goes well and quickly and that I am not in any pain this time! Thanx.

One of my cousins grandparents came and they are spanish or mexican and she brought home made tamales!!!! Oh my gosh they were so good!!! I had two yesterday and two today. Yeah I had them for breakfast but I also had an apple too. ;) I also need to eat more earlier cause I probably won't be able to eat tonite! We also had german potato pancakes yesterday, a family tradition, some honeybaked ham, one slice of bacon. I alkso had a piece of cherry pie with cool whip and ice cream on it. A smidge of lemon cake, oatmeal cookies.

Jasmine31
12-26-2006, 01:46 PM
Hi Ennay! I was bad last week and sooo busy! I missed all you ladies though! :hug: I feel like I gained a few over the last few days! So I decided not to weigh myself til January 1, 2007!!! hahahah

Jasmine31
12-26-2006, 01:54 PM
Ennay

I am still thinking about that raw milk thing. What are your main oppositions to it? I have quite a few websites I have been looking at. One of my points to is that people were drinking this for thousands of years raw and are fine. Weston price went to civilzations that were untouched by modern society and found people healthy and eating raw dairy. I know way back when what also depends on milk is the quality and cleanliness of places as well. I will post a few things. When they first tryed to get rid of raw milk and people were not drinking it the rate of people having salmonella actually went up! Pasteurization is no guarantee against it.

Okay ladies, I went down to clarks nutrition store over the holidays. It is like 30 miles from oour house but we had the rental. It was so nice to be in a whole store full of organic stuff!! Instead of the tiny shelf they have at my local store. Some of the prices were even comparable to reg produce! The tomatoes were 1.99 a lb! I pay that for regular ones! Same with cilantro and parsley! The bell peppers were like 3.00 a pound but it wasn't much more than what I pay in the grocery store. They also had organic walnuts and extra virgin coconut oil. I will have to get that oil next time as it is a bit expensive. They also had the organic arrowhead mills peanut butter! I was thrilled with that!

We are going to wait til we get a car cause if we do start doing the raw milk we are not going to do it now and then stop. SO that is on hold but they do have it there. For now when I got my wic I switched it to staters so I can get the tillamook cheese. (no animal rennet, partially grassfed cows, NO bovine growth hormone guaranteed for the cheese!), I noticed knudsen milk also says no rbst and when I went on their website it says they dont add skim filler on the top! So at least I feel a little better about that.

Okay ladies so I have something I want you to read. I'll brb

Jasmine31
12-26-2006, 02:17 PM
Dirty Secrets of the Food Processing Industry (http://www.westonaprice.org/modernfood/dirty-secrets.html)

Very good article here! I am NOT buying cereal any more! It is going to be oatmeal or eggs for them with the occasional panacake thrown in! I went out the other day and bought a huge box of quaker oatmeal. My eldest refused it but the other 4 ate it, I added hot water and some milk then I cut up some apples and put it on top. The kids asked for sugar but I told them that apples are naturally sweet! ;)

Who is with me on the oatmeal?

My only problem is my dh, he says he wants sugar on his too! :(

Jasmine31
12-26-2006, 02:22 PM
Old-Fashioned Porridge

So what are you going to have for breakfast? We need to go back to the old fashioned porridges, as I explain in Nourishing Traditions. These porridges should be soaked overnight in an acid medium to get rid of the anti-nutrients. Soaking will neutralize the tannins, complex proteins, enzyme inhibitors and phytic acid. You soak the grains in warm water with one tablespoon of something acidic like whey, yoghurt, lemon juice or vinegar. The next morning, the porridge cooks in about a minute. Of course, you eat your porridge with butter or cream like our grandparents did. The nutrients in the fats are needed to absorb the nutrients in the grains. That was one of the great lessons of Weston Price, that without the vitamins present in animal fats (vitamins A and D), you cannot assimilate minerals and other vitamins. You can be taking mineral supplements, drinking green juices or eating organic food until it comes out your ears, but you cannot absorb the minerals in your food without vitamins A and D that are exclusively found in the animal fats.

That is exactly why I am going back to REAL butter and cheese and hopefully switching to the real raw milk products.

miafluker
12-26-2006, 07:04 PM
hi everyone im back from my trip and yea i survived christmas but i think i brought some lbs with me. Oh well i guess ill dust myself off and try again this time im changing m goals instead of a target weight my target is to exercise and eat and drink like i should i want to lose weight by my anniversary (valentines day) so as long as i workout and eat right the weight will come off. How was everyone's holiday? Hi ennay hi Jasmine
back to work tomorrow:(

stopeating
12-26-2006, 07:19 PM
Hello everyone! I won't even talk about the eating yesterday, but today is a new day. So far 1,000 calories for the day and an hour on the bike. I'm hoping to do another hour before bed time. I am also off of work until January 3 so I'm hoping to exercise a lot in the mean time.

I have a huge interview on Thursday. I will be interviewed in front of 10 people and a reporter. It is also open to the public. Now that Christmas is over, I'm starting to think about it and getting nervous.

We still have lots of great leftovers around here and the family loves it. I hope I can stay out of it. So far so good.

I signed up on a thread to climb 78 flights of stairs.:) Don't know what I was thinking but I'm up for the challenge. I don't have a stair climbers so I am going to run up and down our stairs. In case you ever wonder, you burn 1 calorie for every 5 steps going UP. Nothing for going down. :D

miafluker
12-26-2006, 07:29 PM
Hello everyone! I won't even talk about the eating yesterday, but today is a new day. So far 1,000 calories for the day and an hour on the bike. I'm hoping to do another hour before bed time. I am also off of work until January 3 so I'm hoping to exercise a lot in the mean time.

I have a huge interview on Thursday. I will be interviewed in front of 10 people and a reporter. It is also open to the public. Now that Christmas is over, I'm starting to think about it and getting nervous.

We still have lots of great leftovers around here and the family loves it. I hope I can stay out of it. So far so good.

I signed up on a thread to climb 78 flights of stairs.:) Don't know what I was thinking but I'm up for the challenge. I don't have a stair climbers so I am going to run up and down our stairs. In case you ever wonder, you burn 1 calorie for every 5 steps going UP. Nothing for going down. :D

thats interesting too bad i dont have any steps or i would have tried it

JasonsLea
12-26-2006, 07:35 PM
Hi everyone! I hope you all had a good Christmas. Mines was alright. My family doesn't really celebrate Christmas which kinda sucks considering I LOVE the decorations and gift giving. I went to work on Christmas which was what I wanted, I mean come on, double pay!!! Luckily, the vets were in the spirit. :) My mama gave me a nice Sony hand held organizer. I probably wouldn't be so psyched about it except for the fact that not only does it do the normal organizer stuff but it's also a PEDOMETER and it COUNTS CALORIES!!! That's the reason my mama got it for me. Nice to know she pays attention to what I'm into. :) She's also taking me and my little sister clothes shopping this week on payday. I asked her if this was a shopping trip for us or one for what she thinks is suitable and she said it was for us. So I wanted to go to Hot Topic. She was on the computer at the time so she looked it up on the internet then told me she would just give me the money for the shopping! LMAO

ennay
12-26-2006, 08:49 PM
Jasmine - part of it is that I dont really believe that cows milk in ANY form is all that great. I also dont pay much credence to what societies did before pasteurization, truthfully cows and the dairy industry in the US have so radically changed (diet, living conditions, milking conditions, breeding etc) that there really isnt an apples to apples comparison.

I grew up drinking raw milk. BUT It was from a family we knew well, we knew EXACTLY what they fed their cows, they were milked by hand and they were careful on how the milk was handled (cows udders were washed before milking, etc. ) And STILL when we had guests visit, we bought pasteurized milk. Its like drinking the water in a foreign land. If your system is not used to the bacteria level, its NOT going to be happy. Eventually with good hygeine conditions you would probably adjust and be fine. However, since the only milk drinker of any significance in my house is less than 3, I am not going to put her system through that. Heck we had a severe ecoli outbreak here from unpasteurized APPLE juice. Farming is just not what it used to be. The only way I would consider raw milk is from a single family non-commercial farm. (i.e. a friend who owns a cow or two)

I still feel that if I were that concerned about the effects of pasteurization I would just eliminate milk altogether

As for the whole milk better than lowfat thing. Lets face it, its not that milk was designed be drunk whole, its that milk was designed to be drunk by baby cows.

Hun.e.B
12-26-2006, 09:19 PM
Good evening everyone and Merry Christmas! I hope Santa was good to everyone but even more that you all had a wonderful time with your families. We had a wonderful Christmas in our house. I cannot wait to get back to healthy living...if feel gross! Why do we do that to ourselves? Its just not worth it no matter how good we think it tastes.

Anyway...I take it that the secret santa stuff got dropped, I never heard from mine. I was your secret Santa Jasmine, I hope you got and liked the cards I sent through the season. Merry Christmas from Santa's Lil helper! LOL!

I love the step climbing challenge! I remember them doing a long challenge on the biggest loser where they had to climb a ton of flights of stairs, that looked like an amazing workout!

Be good to you!! You deserve it!

~melissa

Canuk4
12-26-2006, 09:58 PM
Hi Everyone, hope you all enjoyed your Christmas, ours was nice, we had a big surprise on the 24th, my daughter got engaged, I knew they had looked at rings, but it had been awhile, so was surprised. I just hope he will take good care of his health, now that he is feeling better. I know it is in his family, his father died of a heart attack at 50, so a little scary that way. But a great guy and sure makes my daughter smile.

My son thought she was going to say she was pregnant, so was giving them both dirty looks, when she said "I have some big news to tell you", he left immediately after to get my Dad, a little embarrased I think. He is having a hard time with his girlfriend, they spent Fri. to Sun. at her parents, came home opened there gifts, no where near equal and she makes a lot more than he does, didn't like one very expensive gift he gave her, he came home the next morning and she has been avoiding him by saying she is too tired after work to see him, she is going home to bed, she was to come here tonight and cancelled, same excuse. I think she is very self centered, my son is hurt over the way she is acting. They had got along fine when at her parents, so is rather confused. Anyway, I really feel for him, he is very kind and bends over backwards, for the people he cares about, very sensitive too.

Stopeating, just picture your interviewers in there underware. No seriously I will say a prayer your interview will go great!

Jasonslea, sorry your family does not celebrate, at least your Mom is trying to do some things at this time. It's not everything you want, but maybe you can celebrate in your own way, when you have a family of your own, just a thought, I realize it may not be possible, but for your sake I hope so since you enjoy so much of the spirit of it.

I was not too bad yesterday, I had a spoonful of everything and only seconds of the turkey, no desert but a few drinks, which I know was bad.

Jasmine, I eat oatmeal everyday, usually the processed kind, not a good choice, will have to go back to the original kind and soaking it. As a kid I visited my grandparents farm all the time, where they had grass fed cows and I drank there milk right from the cooler, I remember how good it was, I will have to see if there is raw milk being sold anywhere around here. That link covered quite a few subjects on food. I feel a little ill after reading it, but definately more informed on what I am really eating. Thanks

I woke up with a cold today, so rather a lazy day today, I seem to have got my physatiac nerve irriated on my right side, from hip down, I am just falling apart, maybe its just old age catching up. Still not up to exercising, but watching what I eat today (except for the nine chocolates, first I have had though). Hope I can stay away from them. Did not weigh today either, oh well tomorrow is another day. Good luck tomorrow everyone, me especially!
Sharon

Jasmine31
12-27-2006, 01:03 AM
ennay:

Jasmine - part of it is that I dont really believe that cows milk in ANY form is all that great. I also dont pay much credence to what societies did before pasteurization, truthfully cows and the dairy industry in the US have so radically changed (diet, living conditions, milking conditions, breeding etc) that there really isnt an apples to apples comparison.

I grew up drinking raw milk. BUT It was from a family we knew well, we knew EXACTLY what they fed their cows, they were milked by hand and they were careful on how the milk was handled (cows udders were washed before milking, etc. ) And STILL when we had guests visit, we bought pasteurized milk. Its like drinking the water in a foreign land. If your system is not used to the bacteria level, its NOT going to be happy. Eventually with good hygeine conditions you would probably adjust and be fine. However, since the only milk drinker of any significance in my house is less than 3, I am not going to put her system through that. Heck we had a severe ecoli outbreak here from unpasteurized APPLE juice. Farming is just not what it used to be. The only way I would consider raw milk is from a single family non-commercial farm. (i.e. a friend who owns a cow or two)

I still feel that if I were that concerned about the effects of pasteurization I would just eliminate milk altogether

As for the whole milk better than lowfat thing. Lets face it, its not that milk was designed be drunk whole, its that milk was designed to be drunk by baby cows.

Thanx so much for your response sweetie! I liked what you had to say. As far as dairy goes I do feel it is (supposed) to be good for us. Some people even think it heals. What I am concerned about is the fact that there are some things we can get from dairy that are hard to get elsewhere. Like the vitamin A thing, I know everyone thinks, duh!, carrots! But from what I am reading there are different forms of vitamin A, when I checked my centrum bottle it says 70%(29%as beta carotene) so there is something going on. Mercola also says that the particular vitamin A needs to come from real butter, milk, and maybe I believe kale? Can't remember what else but that it does not come from the other veggies in the way we think.

I do feel a well rounded "diet" is best and try not to avoid any food group. I do hear ya on the baby cow thing. That is what my dad used to say too. :lol: I also believe I heard that raw cheese is legal everywhere in the U.S. so maybe that is not as riaque as the milk itself. I LOVE cheese. I could probably live without milk and have done so in the past, never w/out cheese though. Yogurt is enjoyable but not an absolute. Since becoming more concerned about getting all my nutrients though I am all over it though. Not drinking milk, but the yogurt, kefir, cheese, etc. Then I think supplements and I do take the centrum but I also feel it is important not to get all my nutrients from supplements.

I know even mercola said we do not need nearly as much calcium as the "experts" say we do. I don't know, it's a toss up. One year eggs are bad, the next year they are in, etc. I try to pray about all the decisions I make with this stuff. I guess all we can do is make our best judgement at the time.

Here is a question: I know the tillamook says "cultured milk", (it doesn't say "raw" though") most all the other ones say "pasteurized cultured milk". What gives?

Anyhow everyone I am home from the dentist. Hooray!! The pain medicine worked this time hooray! But he was pulling so hard on my bottom tooth I thought my jaw would break!! Joey was even trying to hold my head in place. He had a hard time getting that one out and I just kept praying. The top one was easier thank God and I am home safe and sound. Next year I will have to go back in and get a partial or something. Thanx to everyone for their good thoughts and prayers! :hug:

Hun.e.B:

I was your secret santa and I have not forgotten about you! I am sorry I didn't finish and send it to you yet but we have been so busy and I haven't been online much! I will have it for you tomorrow sweetie!!! *BIG HUGZ* Hope your not mad at me!!

Yes I enjoyed the cards hun! I was wondering if it was spam email or someone else!! hahahahahah :hug:

Canuk4

Jasmine, I eat oatmeal everyday, usually the processed kind, not a good choice, will have to go back to the original kind and soaking it. As a kid I visited my grandparents farm all the time, where they had grass fed cows and I drank there milk right from the cooler, I remember how good it was, I will have to see if there is raw milk being sold anywhere around here. That link covered quite a few subjects on food. I feel a little ill after reading it, but definately more informed on what I am really eating. Thanks

I am glad you liked it. It is alot to take in all at once. I have been reading alot about stuff and check out the rest of the website for more links and stuff. How long did you used to soak the oatmeal for? I will give you the link for the real milk website and you can look your state up.

Realmilk (http://realmilk.com/)

realmilk.com/why (http://realmilk.com/why.html)

There are links on the left that are pretty informative too.

Canada (http://realmilk.com/where-other.html#can)

You're in Canada right?

I hope you get that checked out! You are not falling apart. You can beat this!

Calejo
12-27-2006, 01:49 AM
Hey there all! I hope you had a wonderful Holiday and are looking forward to the new year! I decided to weigh myself on Christmas morning, just hoping it wouldn't be above 186. Eep! I was happily surprised to see that it was the same as last week (minus .2, lol) and that my measurements on my ribs, waist and hips had gone down as well. I am also in the very beginning of my visit from TOM, which started on Mon. as well (Merry Christmas to me :dz: ) so I'm excited to see how much weight I'll have lost once the bloating and "extra" weight has gone down. I'm hoping for 179, but we'll see. I'll just be happy feeling fitter than I did last year.

I've been thinking about a lot of things lately. I don't know about the rest of you, but I do know that for me, I'm still amazed at things others seem to think of as "small". I'm now a size 14 (which to some is no big deal), which I haven't been in over 8 yrs.! I'm off the "plus size" rack now and can actually shop in the Juniors department. I can run (omg, I said RUN) up a flight of stairs and not gasp for air. 8 months ago, I never would've believed I could've gone from 229+ to where I am now. I was pushing a size 22, now I'm in 14's and shrinking! My mom just told me today to keep my paws out of her closet (she's a size 12), lol. I used to be depressed that my mom was thinner than me growing up, and now I'm catching up to her. I'm actually beginning to like my shape and the direction I can see it taking! 8 months ago, I was scared I was going to die young and leave my children without a mother. Now, I actually enjoy working out and how strong and fit my body feels. Running used to be painful and akward, but now I feel like I'm floating across the ground. My legs are stronger and I feel so much better. I don't know how long it'll take me to get to my goal weight, or what size I'll be when I get there, but I do know I'm not going to quit; I'm doing it for me (and my kids and boyfriend too, in part, but mainly for me); I feel great, and although I have a lot of stress, trials and tribulations right now, it's worth it to press through those things to come out better on the other side. God help me. :p

I know I'm rambling, but I just want to say thank you to all of you for being both a source of support and inspiration for me to continue on, even in the tough times. Thank you, and Happy Holidays.

martiniforme
12-27-2006, 01:57 AM
Just want to quickly say, SORRY! Secret Santa is still here, but everyone was supposed to send them around Christmas, or whenever they could. I was out of town visiting my mom and step dad in southern Alberta with no access to internet, and arrived home on the 24th. Spent Christmas Eve driving 8 hours (bleh!), and then Christmas day with DF's family. Today we went and did a bit of Boxing Day shopping, and now it's pretty late.

I just wanted to throw in a note, and I will be back soon to do the personals.

Please, everyone who joined the secret santa, remember to send your "gifts!"

~Mande

Jasmine31
12-27-2006, 02:09 AM
I'll just quote part of it:

http://www.westonaprice.org/basicnutrition/vitaminasaga.html

While the ongoing process of research into vitamin A and its effects is a boon to children and adults throughout the world, modern agriculture and food processing conglomerates gain nothing from this knowledge. Confinement farming practices effectively prevent vitamin A from incorporation into animal foods and the processing industry would rather use vegetable oils than animal fats. Some vegetable oils contain carotenes but they do not contain true vitamin A. Only animal fats contain vitamin A and vitamin A is present in large amounts only when the animals have a source of carotenes or vitamin A in the diet, such as green pasture, insects and fish meal.

Unfortunately, the vast majority of popular books on nutrition insist that humans can obtain vitamin A from fruits and vegetables. Even worse, FDA regulations allow food processors to label carotenes as vitamin A. The label for a can of tomatoes says that tomatoes contain vitamin A, even though the only source of true vitamin A in the tomatoes is the microscopic insect parts. The food industry, and the lowfat school of nutrition that the industry has spawned, benefit greatly from the fact that the public has only vague notions about vitamin A. In fact, most of the foods that provide large amounts of vitamin A—butter, egg yolks, liver, organ meats and shellfish—have been subject to intense demonization.

Under optimal conditions, humans can indeed convert carotenes to vitamin A. This occurs in the upper intestinal tract by the action of bile salts and fat-splitting enzymes. Of the entire family of carotenes, beta-carotene is most easily converted to vitamin A. Early studies indicated an equivalency of 4:1 of beta-carotene to retinol. In other words, four units of beta-carotene were needed to produce one unit of vitamin A. This ratio was later revised to 6:1 and recent research suggests an even higher ratio.5 This means that you have to eat an awful lot of vegetables and fruits to obtain even the daily minimal requirements of vitamin A, assuming optimal conversion.

Jasmine31
12-27-2006, 02:12 AM
Please, everyone who joined the secret santa, remember to send your "gifts!"

I got mine sent off tonite! ;)

Mande: I missed ya hun! I was wondering what happened to ya!

Calejo: That is so awesome! Keep up the great work! I know what ya mean about running. I can't do it for too long but before even with all my walking I would of never even attempted such a thing! !4 is great! I can't wait to get there!!

Jasmine31
12-27-2006, 02:14 AM
...But the transformation of carotene to retinol is rarely optimal. Diabetics and those with poor thyroid function, a group that could well include at least half the adult US population, cannot make the conversion. Children make the conversion very poorly and infants not at all — they must obtain their precious stores of vitamin A from animal fats6— yet the low-fat diet is often recommended for children. Strenuous physical exercise, excessive consumption of alcohol, excessive consumption of iron (especially from "fortified" white flour and breakfast cereal), use of a number of popular drugs, excessive consumption of polyunsaturated fatty acids, zinc deficiency and even cold weather can hinder the conversion of carotenes to vitamin A,7 as does the lowfat diet.

Carotenes are converted by the action of bile salts, and very little bile reaches the intestine when a meal is low in fat. The epicure who puts butter on his vegetables and adds cream to his vegetable soup is wiser than he knows. Butterfat stimulates the secretion of bile needed to convert carotenes from vegetables into vitamin A, and at the same time supplies very easily absorbed true vitamin A. Polyunsaturated oils also stimulate the secretion of bile salts but can cause rapid destruction of carotene unless antioxidants are present.

ennay
12-27-2006, 04:17 PM
but on the flip side....be very very careful with supplements that have vitamin A --it should be beta carotene, not preformed vitamin A. In high doses, preformed Vitamin A is toxic. The benefit of carotene is you cant o'd on it.

There is actually a push to LOWER the RDA of Vitamin A because of its teratogenicity (causes birth defects)

Also - yes you absolutely need fat to absorb Vitamins A, D, E and K because they are fat soluble. BUT just because Vit A is primarily located in animal fat, it doesnt mean animal fat is the only fat that will absorb it. Olive oil added to your dinner will ALSO help you absorb the available Vit A and Carotene. Only very very very lowfat diets will lead to Vit A deficiency. It is generally only seen in underdeveloped countries

(Vit D deficiency is actually far more common...because our bodies were meant to use sunlight to create Vit D, the trend towards daily SPF 15 has hurt our Vit D creation)

stopeating
12-28-2006, 11:28 AM
Good Morning! Well I've had two days straight of riding my bike 2 hours each day! :D I'm going for a third day. Tonight is the big interview so I'm pretty nervous. It will be done soon. :) I love being home with the kids. :)

I eat oatmeal every day for breakfast. I am also lactose intolerant so I have very little milk except my favorite, ice cream,:carrot: which I pay for. :o

We are going to have a New Years Eve Party with our children this year. Rent lots of movies, junk food galore, games, and family time. Any plans for New Years Eve?

Jasmine31
12-28-2006, 02:30 PM
ennay:

but on the flip side....be very very careful with supplements that have vitamin A --it should be beta carotene, not preformed vitamin A. In high doses, preformed Vitamin A is toxic. The benefit of carotene is you cant o'd on it.

Yeah I knew there was something funny going on. Okay my centrum says 70%, 29% as beta carotene, so what I want is for all the supplement to say "beta carotene". Now what is up with the fruits and veggies? How do we know which ones are from beta carotene?

Olive oil added to your dinner will ALSO help you absorb the available Vit A and Carotene. Only very very very lowfat diets will lead to Vit A deficiency. It is generally only seen in underdeveloped countries

Yeah I have since stopped cooking with olive oil, usually just added it in a tbs at the bottom of the sp. rice but now I hear about the oil heating up too much and that being bad, I am going to try just adding a little bit on to the beans and rice when I make it, (you know after it is already cooked and we are sitting down to eat) does that sound like a good idea? Like maybe a tsp on each plate? I have also heard that extra virgin cocunut oil is great to cook in. So am thinking of doing that if I need to use something to cook in. I didn't see it at the regular store but did at that one place in S.B.

(Vit D deficiency is actually far more common...because our bodies were meant to use sunlight to create Vit D, the trend towards daily SPF 15 has hurt our Vit D creation)

Yeah in Ca I don't have to worry about that too much. I do wear the oil of olay cream which has an spf. I know in colder places I have heard of cod liver oil encouraged as a supplement. Not too crazy about that idea though.

stopeating:

That is awesome! Well done!!! Did you go any where or just a trail on your bike? My kids all got bikes for x~mas and my eldest is my same heighth so i will probably borrow hers. I am a bit leery though of being on it by myself so maybe this weekend Joey and I can try to go riding together!

Tonight is the big interview so I'm pretty nervous. It will be done soon. I love being home with the kids.

Good luck on the intterview hun!! I love being home with the kids too. We spent most of yesterday in the kitchen, Joe did not want me going anywhere on the bus not even to go see him, just wanted me to stay at home and relax, he said he didn't even care if I stayed in bed all day! I told him, haha he wouldn't care anyways. He would probably just wonder WHY under normal circumstances! :lol: But he wanted me to rest after the tooth thing. So I was cooking and cleaning, making chili beans and using our new food processor to chop up onions, carrots, tomatoes, spinach, etc. Made an awesome salad for yesterday and tonite. Scrubbed the kitchen down good, even cleaned behind the fridge. I made some corn bread too and wanted to make some home made bread and rolls and maybe sugar cookies for the kids but the stupid oven shut off and would NOT turn back on! Maybe tomorrow I will bake more. Shredded them up some cheese for omelettes this a.m. you just reminded me I should go chop some bell pepper up for spanish rice tonite!! But I really enjoyed just being at home and not running off to go do something. EVen days like that where I am busy and rarely home beats being at "work" any day!

I eat oatmeal every day for breakfast. I am also lactose intolerant so I have very little milk except my favorite, ice cream, which I pay for

I hear ya. What do you put on your oatmeal?

We are going to have a New Years Eve Party with our children this year. Rent lots of movies, junk food galore, games, and family time. Any plans for New Years Eve?

That sounds like so much fun! Hopefully we will have some cool movies in from netflix! My best friend and her bf and kids said they wanted to come up, BUT he has to work! So they said they will be here around 10:30. :lol: Ummmm....okay! They are going to drive 70 miles one way to get here at 10:30! That is cool though. ;) The day before x~mas we went out and seen them for a few hours since we had the van.

Everyone!!! I am still doing the dairy too. I just found this great article everyone is welcome to read! It is about how the Azerbaijan's live to be over 100 years old! It tells what they eat, alot of dairy products and the other foods they eat with it to help break up the fat etc.

Nutrition for Longevity (http://www.azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/83_folder/83_articles/83_longevity.html)

Okay so I did do the chil beans yesterday but it was still kind of a high cal day, like 1900 or so cause I was needing two big containers for the two salads and the rest of the lemon cake was in one of them! I had a piece and gave ther rest to the kids. :( I also seen the chocolate covered peanuts in there, in a cluster. So I had one of those. :( BUt I did stop after that! Thank God and here is to eating "clean" until new years! I got on the scale this a.m. for damage control and the scale says 210! So 2 pounds more than my ticker. and 2.5 more than what I had some how gotten doewn to before x~mas. Remember I was bad for like a week and a half but stiull managed to lose .50 a piund? haha I am not worried and if 2.5 pounds is the worse damage thruout almost 2 weeks of being pretty darn bad. Then that is okay. :D There is a few days I didn't walk this week like xmas and the day before that and yesterday to rest etc but I am back on it today! :D

How did everyone else fare? Are you up or down or even? I figure lets wait til new years day and then lets start a valentines day challenge ladies!!

loveandlaughalways
12-28-2006, 03:58 PM
okay i'm back. I think i went "incogneto" for a short time during the christmas week didn't think it would set me back like that but it did. I did play golf one day with my mom and my son Jacob. Well I'm back on track today.

ennay
12-28-2006, 04:18 PM
Jasmine - I probably wouldnt worry about your supplement, as long as its only 70%. Unless you are eating a lot of fortified foods. When I was preggo with dd, I was looking at the prescription prenatals (pisses me off that Vit A is in prenatals at ALL- well frankly prenatals should be trimester specific) which had preformed Vit A, then I was eating clif bars when I worked out (supplemented with Vit A) and of course there was fortified cereals. And then I remember looking at a jamba juice "add on" which had Vit A and realized how easy it would be for someone to OD on vit A and not even realize it.

All vit A from fruits and veggies is from carotenoids.

dollypie
12-28-2006, 06:40 PM
Okay I back after Christmas! I had a great time and got to spend alot of time with my family and DH's family. We played this really fun board game Apples to Apples and I laughed so hard so many time that my stomach muscles really did hurt. I didn't gain over the holidays so that was the best Christmas present ever! The next few days will be the hardest because we are having friends down for New Year's and they like to eat. I am sticking to healthy choices with my splurge day on New Year's Eve. I have made it to the gym the past two day and plan on going the next three to keep my calories in check.

Jasmine: My brother and I grew up on raw milk until I was in junior high because gramps sold his farm. We never got sick and our friends used to drink it when they came over. I don't think I could drink it know because all I drink is skim and the consistency is much thicker. Gramps also used to make us butter and it was much creamer and not as salty as you find the stores today.

stopeating
12-28-2006, 07:51 PM
I'm back from the interview and I lived. :) They are actually hoping to call and let me know tonight yet. I'm okay not getting the job, I just wanted to have a good interview and know that I did my best and I did. ;)

Dollypie - great job not putting on any weight. :carrot:
Loveandlaugh - great to hear from you.:)
Jasmine - I think you are a workaholic...you never stop!:dizzy: People coming over at 10:30 p.m. from 70 miles away??!! Wow, I can't remember the last time I saw midnight on New Years Eve, obviously I would not be good company.:) How is your mouth feeling? Are you done with the dentist yet? I hate going to the dentist. :(

When I speak of a bike, it's actually my exercise bike. Here in Michigan we ride outside from May to September, that's about it. ;)

I actually had the guts to weigh myself this afternoon and I was 2 pounds higher than my counter. I was thrilled because I ate breakfast and lunch already. I have been SOOOOOOO bad for the last two weeks, I just want to have my counter number on New Years day. I would be so happy!!!:)

Canuk4
12-28-2006, 10:31 PM
Stopeating - glad you aced your interview, job or not, having that many interview you is a major on the nerves, Congrats on just getting through it.

Jasmine, I really don't know much about Vit. A. other than what I have read here, but I do know how important it is to get beta caratene, I have macular degeneration in one eye and have lost the central vision, the beta caratene is super important for your eyesight, I take a multi everyday and a special Vit. called Vitallux for my eyes, that has beta caratene in it.

I soak my oatmeal in water, just like my folks did in the old days.

I have been reading Women's World again and was reading how you can train your mind with some saying's to help you lose weight, it may sound far fetched, but I tried it and it seemed to help, it is just mainly about a few bites of an intense food, as opposed to a healthy food, it is from Steven Gurgevich, Ph.D. author of The Self Hypnosis Diet and top advisor to natural health superstar Andrew Weil, M.D. It is really no dieting and no deprivation, the usual small amounts of fattening foods and eating healthy. Interesting though, I am back down to 236 and I have not been very good, the Choc. devil finally got the best of me. I do agree home made butter from the farm was richer and not as salty and I would still go for that milk, it tasted so good from that cooler on the farm. And yes the cows utters had to be carefully washed before milking. Good childhood memories for me. Wish I had not grown up, with the exception of hubby #2 and my kids. Life was so simple.

No New Years Plans for us, I might have my girlfriend over her hubby is working, otherwise TV.

I would really like to go for a Valentine's challenge, I have really just been playing with the same six pounds since Nov. up and down! Count me in.
Sharon

stopeating
12-28-2006, 10:49 PM
Thanks Sharon. I got the call and I did get the job! It is a huge honor. My employers don't want me to leave and made an offer also, but I don't think they can beat this one. It's hard for me to leave people that I've worked with for so long, but I'm also excited about the challenge. This kind of thing is really difficult for me. I get really attached to people and I feel happy and sad at the same time.:(

That article you read in Woman's World sounds like the diet that Mariah Carey was doing. I think you could have anything, but not bigger than a spoonful?? Anyway it sounded pretty interesting to me since I don't like to feel deprived. :)

miafluker
12-29-2006, 11:01 AM
morning everyone! im off today:carrot:
stopeating i always read womans world but lately it seems like its all saying the same thing

dollypie
12-29-2006, 11:51 AM
:carrot: :carrot: My cholesterol is normal!!!!:carrot: :carrot:

I am so excited about this. I was at the hospital the other day and they had a blood drive so I donated. Plus I was able to get my cholesterol checked and guess what?!?!?!? I have lowered it from 265 to 181. I just might call my doctor and tell her...she would be so excited for me! This is just more motivation to pass up those fries!

stopeating: :carrot: :carrot: Way to go on job, you get dancing carrots too. I can relate to changing jobs, I did that a year ago, and I was really attached to the people I worked with too. I have kept in touch with alot of them. The change was good for me and I am enjoying my new job.

Jasmine: I am up for the V-Day Challenge! Do you think you should post it in the Chicks up for a Challenge area too?

ennay
12-29-2006, 02:33 PM
wooohooo dollypie!!! :carrot:

I would love to have a normal reading!

stopeating
12-29-2006, 06:58 PM
A huge congrats Dollipie!!!:carrot: :carrot:

JasonsLea
12-29-2006, 08:24 PM
Canuk ~ Oh, I've already got plans on how I'm going to decorate for the holidays next year when I have my own place! LOL I love Woman's World! Usually don't pay much attention to the diets cause I'm a sucker for a fad diet but I love clipping the recipes and tips.

StopEating ~ Movies for you too? That was my plan since I have to work New Years Day. CONGRATULATIONS on the job! :carrot:

Jasmine ~ You have Netflix too?! OMG I'm doing the free trial right now and I LOVE it! It's SO fast and I've already viewed three movies that were on my 'maybe' list for purchase and now I'm only going to buy one. It's saving me some money!

Hey Mia and Ennay!

Dolly ~ Congratulations sweetie! :carrot: :carrot: :carrot:

miafluker
12-29-2006, 08:48 PM
someone please stop me i just signed up for the discovery health challenge thing with the 8week free pass to bally's well i dont have a bally's here:?:
so why did i sign up? it has meal plans and tracking but i know this stuff already. Everytime there is a new plan or theory i want to test it but when it all boils down its all about the same so i ask why do I even put myself thru the fat free foods, and trying to count calories and fat? i think i shoud just find healthy alternatives of the things i like and maybe track it with the weight watchers method until i can judge for myself what a decent calorie meal looks like
what do you guys think?

hi JasonsLea
StopEating- i plan on going on bourbon street on new years with my hubby(i may get a drink on too but at least the walking would be exercise)
dollypie- thats great news our goal isnt just weight loss but for a healthy life as well

Calejo
12-29-2006, 09:14 PM
I'm going to push up my weigh-in day to Sunday. I weighed myself this morning and I was 180, so I may make it to my goal of 179 by the end of this month (2 days, lol) with TOM coming to an end.

Canuk4
12-30-2006, 01:09 AM
Hi everyone, cholesteral down Dollypie, that is fabulous and not easy to do. Stopeating, way to go with the job, leaving one job for another is a little scarey, but you can't let the people you like working with hold you back, you can still stay friends with them (as dollypie mentioned) and you will be making new friends as well, what a way to start the new year!!! Calejo, your doing so great, I bet you will be down again on Sunday.

Miafluker can you get out of the sign up, stating the reason's you have to us?
I think maybe your right (Us) just sticking to one type of diet, would be alot easier. I am a lost cause this week, so have decided to wait till the first and get back on track with the Valentine's Day Challenge. Only I don't know much about how you work them, can you fill me in please? I'm up one and a 1/2 lbs today and am sure will be up again tomorrow. Oh well 2 days to go till the first and a new start. How many are doing the challenge? I am still having problems exercising, with this stupid broken body. Anybody know any exercises for the left side only, that is my good side, good arm and leg. ha ha. Jasonlea, I am sure your place will look fabulous next year, with all your decorations, plus just being your own place is nice. Talk with you all tomorrow Have a good one.
Sharon

stopeating
12-30-2006, 11:02 AM
I sooooo need to do the Valentine's challenge. Motivation and goals help me so much. One of the aspects of my new job is that all of the meetings are televised live! And how much does the camera put on??? :( I'm driving my dh nuts obsessing about losing weight before I start. I'm not sure yet when I will begin, but I have a few weeks at least to really work on it.

Sharon-I always like starting out fresh with the New Year. I think the forums will be packed then. :)

Way to go Calejo! You can do it!:carrot:

miafluker - I know exactly what you are talking about. I'm one of those who reads every magazine at the check-out about every crazy diet. I then research them, go to the health food store to look for whatever it was that is suppose to work and try it for a week or two. In the end, nothing has ever worked for me except low calories and a lot of exercise. I tried Slim Fast twice for a week each and gained weight both times!!!:dizzy: And even though I know this, guaranteed I will still do it again!:dizzy:

Everyone sounds like they're doing cool things for New Years.:) I'm going to pick up some of that sparkling juice and give it to the kids in wine glasses. They will think that is so cool. ;)

ennay
12-30-2006, 12:15 PM
Morning--grumpy this morning I was sleeping soundly in the guest room and dh brought me ds to nurse and he wasnt hungry at ALL. Probably a pacifier would have knocked him back out.

I even took a shower and I am still zonked. I hate waking up in the middle of deepsleep like that, its so much harder than waking up during light sleep, even if over all I got more sleep

Calejo
12-30-2006, 01:03 PM
I made my December goal! By the skin of my teeth, but I'm out of the 180's! woot! I added antoher cheerleader too, this makes 50 lbs. so far! I'm almost to my half-way point and TOM isn't even done yet (should be by Mon. though) I'm so excited! :carrot: :carrot: :carrot: :carrot:

stopeating
12-30-2006, 02:34 PM
Yeah Calejo!!:carrot: :carrot: What a huge milestone!:hug:

ennay
12-30-2006, 05:41 PM
As of today I weigh what I did when I got pregnant with my first child :) still 8 lbs to go to when I got pregnant with ds.

miafluker
12-30-2006, 05:51 PM
congrats Calejo
Canuk4 its no charge for it i probably will only go to it for research since it is discovery health
its just i think im taking the wrong approach relying on some site to tell me what type of diet to be on i just probably need to try different eating habits for a little while to see what works
sometime i can knock myself over the head.

by the way what is the valentines day challenge and what are the rules ( i think i missed that post) thats my anniversary so i would love to lose something instead of losing then gaining.

Also what do you guys think about canned fruit? the kind thats in water even though i havent seen that yet.

Canuk4
12-30-2006, 06:18 PM
Hi everyone, I have to laugh when I misread what was said about weighing the same as "When you got pregnant, the first time", I thought it said "when I had my first child" and I am thinking "Man I weight even more now, than when I had my kids 29 yrs. ago.

Got the grumpy mood today too, still feeling the cold and have not been out since Thurs., my brother called and my Dad has the cold too, he wants to know what I can do for him!!! I already told him what to take etc. but he has a mind of his own. Sorry guys, maybe I will come back later, hopefully in a better mood. Just finsihed a LARGE half of a choc. bar, so got the guilts.
Sharon

ennay
12-30-2006, 06:53 PM
mia - I'm not sure if everyone is talking about the same challenge, but there is a valentines challenge thread...

http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?t=99469&page=1

no real rules, just set a goal for valentines day

I like setting holiday goals, I had a new years goal and got that on 12/17, now valentines, and then probably st patty's or easter.

fruit packed in water. Fresh is usually better, then frozen (loose pack) then canned. I usually dont see fruit packed in water, I see fruit packed in JUICE. They dont add additional sugar, but regardless of what kind of fruit it is they almost always use pear juice which is very sweet. Most of the time it isnt much different then "packed in light syrup". I still use fresh or frozen most of the time and canned only for convenience. If I use canned I drain the liquid and sometimes even do a light rinse.

loveandlaughalways
12-31-2006, 12:58 AM
Have been battling life in general. Have been trying to keep up with the exercise challenge that I have messed up on but trying to get back along with the diet after the holiday of christmas. I really messed up during that time. Going camping tomorrow for two days riding motorcycles. Hopefully tha will burn some calories. I have been eating less all together, staying busy, and watching the amount of water and salt intake. Hopefully it will make a difference. Talk to you when i'm back from camping. Lori

stopeating
12-31-2006, 10:12 AM
Hello! I hope everyone has a wonderful New Years Eve!:) Our big movie, junkfood and gameboard will start later today. The kids are so excited! I took them all to the store yesterday and let them pick out what they wanted. We walked out with $70 of junk food!! The kids were in heaven and they think it will be the coolest time. Obviously we don't do this a lot thank goodness.:dizzy:

Today we are going to the mall. I need some work clothes but I really want to lose a few pounds before purchasing any. I thought it might motivate me to try on some things to get my butt in gear. Anyone else ever do that? Years ago I worked in the mall and I would go try on this really cool pair of jeans that were too small like once a week just to remind myself that I needed to lose weight.:D

Loveandlaugh - Have a great time on the motorcycles!
Sharon - I hope you feel better today. :)
miafluker - I think canned fruit is a lot healthier than so many other choices out there. Of course fresh is better, but it isn't always available and out of season can be really expensive! Just try to get the natural juice.;)
Jasmine - I hope life is going well. :)

Jasmine31
12-31-2006, 02:36 PM
Okay ladies so the family is home and I have been super busy with them. I will get to personals either tomorrow or Tuesday! For those of you still losing or maintaining well done! For those of you being "bad" it is okay and we will kick this into high gear starting tuesday! Don't fret! It is a new year and we will lose lots of weight next year!!! :D

V~day!! We will start the challenge on Tuesday and I was thinking lets start a new thread for the week tomorrow since it is the new year and do an official weigh in and goals etc. As far as rules the rules are to eat healthy, avoid extra junk like candy and sweets. If eating out is in your menu plan then great, it's in mine! ;) But to keep it to once a week and try to keep on your program whether it is cal counting or weight watchers, atkins, etc. Just basically eat healthy limit the bad stuff and exercise! Also we all need to make it a goal to eat more fruits and veggies.

That is all for now! Happy new years to everyone almost!!! Is anyone doing anything special tonite?

miafluker
12-31-2006, 02:49 PM
Jasmine31 that challenge sounds great i can live with those rules as far as tonight i may drink a few beers or wine i had a famous new orleans daquri friday and was so hung over by 1 drink the next morning i swore no more liquor for a while even on new years.
How is everyone doing today?

Canuk4
12-31-2006, 05:25 PM
Happy New Year!!! to everyone. It is cold out today and windy here, but no snow, thank-goodness. Trying to make sure all bills and things for 2006 are all caught up, have to make new files for 2007. Starting the challenge on Tues. sounds good Jasmine. Now I just have to set my goals, that should be interesting, need some more thought on that. (Delaying tactic???)

I thought fresh fruit was best, then frozen, then canned and I rinse that really well. Just thought I would add my two cents.

LoveandLaugh, hope you do enjoy your camping, had to take a look to see where you from, when I saw that. I am sure you will lose doing that and will have started the New Year off great.

Stopeating, thanks but I still feel down today, dh is more interested in hockey than us and it is really starting to get to me. Tired of watching tv alone every night, while he watches hockey or rents himself a movie, usually the kind I don't like, he watches them first anyhow to see if I will like it or not, then lets me see it on my own. A lot is bothering me, not a great way to start the New Year. Worried about my son's relationship as well! And I can't stand when family say's they will do one thing, then for there own selfishishness do another. Tomorrow will be better I know, right now I think I will just go back to bed and bury my head.

To the rest of you I wish you and yours a very Happy New Year, lots of love and laughter now and through the New Year.
Sharon

stopeating
12-31-2006, 06:56 PM
Sharon hang in there. I'm sorry it is so frustrating right now. A very good friend told me once to stop worrying about things that I can not change and I think about it often. It is not easy but I do remind myself of that when I worry about my parents and their finances and my friends and their marriages, etc. I'm always stressing about things I have no control over. So I just keep repeating that phrase and it feels like a weight has been lifted. Maybe it would work for you. :hug:

I wish everyone a Happy New Year!!

ennay
12-31-2006, 07:12 PM
V~day!! We will start the challenge on Tuesday and I was thinking lets start a new thread for the week tomorrow since it is the new year and do an official weigh in and goals etc. As far as rules the rules are to eat healthy, avoid extra junk like candy and sweets. If eating out is in your menu plan then great, it's in mine! ;) But to keep it to once a week and try to keep on your program whether it is cal counting or weight watchers, atkins, etc. Just basically eat healthy limit the bad stuff and exercise! Also we all need to make it a goal to eat more fruits and veggies.

That is all for now! Happy new years to everyone almost!!! Is anyone doing anything special tonite?

So if eating candy is IN our program can we keep it? ;) I am proud to say I have eaten chocolate almost every single day since I started this program and I dont plan to stop now!

We are having friends over for new years. I bought GOOD champagne this year. I figure as seldom as I have alcohol, if I am going to use up some calories on it it should be good stuff, not cheap crap. I use that philosophy for beer, dessert and chocolate, champagne should not be different.

Tonight will probably be a bit high for calories just because of staying up so late. I get really hungry when I am up past my bedtime.

Calejo
12-31-2006, 09:21 PM
There's already a V-day challenge in the challenge forum. Just a head's up.

stopeating
01-01-2007, 09:16 AM
Good Morning! As you can probably guess, I am an early riser. :) My family is all asleep, but they did manage to stay awake and watch the ball drop. We had a really good time.

I am so excited to begin a new year.:) My family and I wrote down our New Year's resolutions last night and read them out loud. I am going to keep them and we will read them again next year to see how we did. They thought that sounded really cool!!

I have made several challenges to myself so I'm going to have a lot of work to do. My newest ticker is 1200 hours of exercise for the month of January. :dizzy: I know I can do it if I make it my priority though!

Calejo
01-01-2007, 11:58 AM
Hi all! I did my officiall weigh-in today and I'm at 177 lbs. now! OMG! I think it's all due to TOM finally being over. In any case, I'm very excited and glad to see the results.

miafluker
01-01-2007, 12:08 PM
happy new year everyone! :newyear: Its a new year which means a fresh start im feeling pretty confident i have to write my goal and post them in a little while

ennay
01-01-2007, 01:20 PM
there is a vday challenge in the challenge forum and one in the calorie counters forum

Jasmine31
01-01-2007, 01:28 PM
http://www.3fatchicks.com/forum/showthread.php?p=1511198#post1511198

Everyone go in here!! That is our new weekly thread starting today! :D