KFC Sued... Again

[Jordan1975]

KFC Sued for Fattening Menu
Group Says High Levels of Trans Fat is Harming Consumers' Health
By BHARATHI RADHAKRISHNAN, ABC News Medical Unit
June 13, 2006 — - The fast food chain KFC is being sued for the fat content in its fried chicken, which Center for Science in the Public Interest says contains "staggering amounts" of trans fat.

One three-piece Extra Crispy combo meal has 15 grams of trans fat, which is more trans fat than a person should have in one week, says the CSPI.

"The class-action suit... asks that the court prohibit KFC from using partially hydrogenated oil, or that at the very least, signs be posted in KFC outlets notifying customers that many KFC foods are high in trans fat," said a CSPI press release. The suit was filed in Superior Court of the District of Columbia.

"Unlike McDonalds, where fries are a side dish, here the main item on the menu has staggering amounts of trans fat," said Jeff Cronin, CSPI's communications director.

According to the Food and Drug Administration, trans fat is made when vegetable oil is hydrogenated, or when hydrogen is added to it. This process increases the shelf life and flavor stability of these foods.

However, KFC spokesperson Laurie Schalow issued a statement saying that the suit was frivolous and lacked merit.

"We take health and safety issues very seriously," the statement said. "We provide a variety of menu choices and provide nutrition information, including trans fat values, on our website and in our restaurants so consumers can make informed choices before they purchase our products."

Her statement also said that the company is "reviewing alternative oil options, but there are a number of factors to consider including maintaining KFC's unique taste and flavor of Colonel Sanders' Original Recipe, supply availability and transportation, among others."

Many clinical trials have shown how unhealthy trans fats are, said Dr. Meir Stampfer, chair of the Department of Epidemiology at Harvard School of Public Health.

"These include raising LDL (the bad) cholesterol, lowering HDL (the good) cholesterol, increasing weight, and impairing insulin resistance."

However, not everyone thinks a lawsuit is the answer to getting Americans to consume fewer trans fats.

"Legislation to achieve this makes more sense than litigation," said Dr. David Katz, associate professor of Public Health and Director of the Prevention Research Center at Yale University School of Medicine and an ABC News contributor. "While I think it's too extreme to sue food companies over everything that is wrong with product composition, it does help get their attention."

Katz said that warning labels may help alert consumers about the health risks in certain foods. If warning labels are placed on ingredients that are unnecessary and potentially harmful, then trans fat would be one such ingredient that needs such a label, he said.

However, "If you put a skull and crossbones warning on every fast food package containing trans fats, that might help get the message to consumers, but the responsibility to ensure a safe food supply rests with the FDA," said Joanne Shearer, a registered dietician and team leader of the Food and Nutrition Services at Avera Heart Hospital of South Dakota. Many experts also believe in the importance of educating the public.

"A warning label is not enough. People need to be educated and understand why eating foods with high levels of trans fat is unhealthy," said Lona Sandon, a spokesperson for the American Dietetic Association and an assistant professor of Clinical Nutrition at University of Texas Southwestern Medical Center.

In the long run, this may have the biggest impact, Katz said.

"The best way to change what the food industry does is to change consumer demand [since] demand trumps supply," he said.

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[2frustrated]

Her statement also said that the company is "reviewing alternative oil options, but there are a number of factors to consider including maintaining KFC's unique taste and flavor of Colonel Sanders' Original Recipe, supply availability and transportation, among others."



Did Colonel Sanders' Original Recipe contain trans-fats... :chin:

:rofl: What these people say really shows them up as a bunch of money grabbers.

[Jayde]

"The best way to change what the food industry does is to change consumer demand [since] demand trumps supply"

This will be the biggest challenge.

Frustrated, I also would bet against Sanders using transfats in his original recipe. Even I can do the math. :D

[Vampiric Addiction]

It's always going to be the case that public opinion has to swing against outlets like these before any real change would occur.
The only reason they do things the way they do is because they make profit- if there is a higher demand for better and healthier foods, they will change. They'll have to, or face the end of their business empire.

[midwife]

""We take health and safety issues very seriously," the statement said."


:nose: :nose: :nose:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:


Sure they do!!! So do the tobacco companies!!

[jillybean720]

Oh my god...fried chicken is BAD for you?! :dizzy:

What a stupid lawsuit. Honestly, it's like the kid who got fat and sued McDonald's--it's no newsflash that fast food is unhealthy, let alone fried fast food. I don't think it warrants a lawsuit. If people keep eating that garbage all the time and die of a heart attack, then that is due to their own lack of personal responsibility, not KFC's choice of oil.

[chubs107]

Jill you are so on the money!!! People just liek blaming others for thier poor choices!!! It's not the drug dealers fault that you use drugs... it's yours for using.. in this case the drug is "fat"!! Isn't great that we live in a counrty were we can voice our thougths, make our own choices and eat what we want to eat!!! DON'T GO TO KFC IF YOU DON'T WANT TO EAT FRIED CHICKEN!!! YOUR CHOICE!!!

[Jordan1975]

KFC has always been one of my weaknesses, but the moment i got serious about being healthy, it came right off my list of "acceptable" food. i haven't been there since. it really didn't take a big ole lawsuit to tell me that their food isn't conducive to my continued good health, but it's funny what this sort of thing makes them say in response.

[Jayde]

DON'T GO TO KFC IF YOU DON'T WANT TO EAT FRIED CHICKEN!!! YOUR CHOICE!!!

While I agree that this lawsuit is taking up valuable time and money in our courts at least it has transfats in the news and gets people talking more about them.

Fried foods are not the best choice if we are looking for healthy foods. But neither is cake or icecream or many other foods that we like to eat in moderation.

If I want cake or bread... I'd like to know that it was made with the healthiest ingredients possible.
Likewise if someone wanted fried chicken, it would be nice to know that it was made in a healthier oil.. like peanut oil... not the Frankenstein transfats that they are cooked in now at KFC..

[mandalinn82]

I'd like to point out that it is quite likely that the original recipe did have trans fats - lots of southern cooks fry their chicken in shortening, not oil, which is, in fact, loaded with trans fats.

Healthy, no. But it is entirely possible that the original recipe did, in fact, call for shortening, as do quite a few traditional Southern fried chicken recipes.

[jillybean720]

If I want cake or bread... I'd like to know that it was made with the healthiest ingredients possible.
Likewise if someone wanted fried chicken, it would be nice to know that it was made in a healthier oil.. like peanut oil... not the Frankenstein transfats that they are cooked in now at KFC..
But you would check to see, and that's the point. If people cared enough about whether or not their fried chicken had trans fats, they would check the website or ask for the nutritional information in the restaurant. I would be willing to bet you a million dollars that every KFC in the country could put up a giant lit-up sign saying that all of their food was loaded with trans fats, and they still would not go out of business because most of their clientele really don't care. Sad, but true, I think.

[Jayde]

But you would check to see, and that's the point. If people cared enough about whether or not their fried chicken had trans fats, they would check the website or ask for the nutritional information in the restaurant. I would be willing to bet you a million dollars that every KFC in the country could put up a giant lit-up sign saying that all of their food was loaded with trans fats, and they still would not go out of business because most of their clientele really don't care. Sad, but true, I think.

I agree, Jillybean. But only 3 years ago KFC launched an advertising campaign touting its chicken as part of a healthy eating lifestyle. That is what really gets my goat.

As for the Original Recipe. ... only the Colonel knows.. but since he was born in 1890, transfats were invented at the turn of the Century but not marketed until 1911 and even then it took a while to catch on, the Colonel began his first restaurant in 1939, itt is quite possible that he did use "Crisco".. but I'd like to think that in the 20 years he was alive before transfats were even available he watched his family cook traditional Southern dishes with other oils. Of course it is possible that by the time he started cooking Crisco had taken hold in his community if so, you couldn't call it tradition.. it was new then. I would bet though that if he did use a different oil that when his franchise exploded around the country in the 1950's trans fats were just what the doctor... ahem Colonel ordered. :dizzy:

[Misti in Seattle]

I agree, Jillybean. But only 3 years ago KFC launched an advertising campaign touting its chicken as part of a healthy eating lifestyle. That is what really gets my goat.


And people are supposed to be stupid enough to believe that? If they are, whose fault is it if they don't bother checking things out? THEIRS

[Sunnigummi]

This is going to sound cruel, but I stand by my point.

If a person is stupid enough to believe that fried foods are ok in a diet and will not lead to health problems, then that person should NOT be protected by the government and should be taken out of the gene pool.

A person I once knew said that in his country, drugs are not mandated as much as they are here. Many antibiotics that are prescribed here are available sans prescription in his country. Their thinking is: If someone is stupid enough to O/D after reading package instructions, then honestly they should suffer. I'm with it - cruel as it sounds.

[jillybean720]

This is going to sound cruel, but I stand by my point.

If a person is stupid enough to believe that fried foods are ok in a diet and will not lead to health problems, then that person should NOT be protected by the government and should be taken out of the gene pool.

A person I once knew said that in his country, drugs are not mandated as much as they are here. Many antibiotics that are prescribed here are available sans prescription in his country. Their thinking is: If someone is stupid enough to O/D after reading package instructions, then honestly they should suffer. I'm with it - cruel as it sounds.
I don't think you sound cruel at all--I completely agree. If people are stupid enough to believe corporate advertising, then they're stupid enough to cause their own heart attacks.

[DeafinlySmart]

Okay I'm biting....

I believe Legistlation over Ligation is the proper procedure but many time Ligation is what prompts Legislation. It's a little extreme to tell a company that all these years we've been so loyal to you but now without warning we will sue you.

We ALL know fast food tends to equal bad choices BUT sometimes we have to be protected from ourselves. Having legislation regulating this would not be a bad thing. All of us care about nutrition but most of us are addicted to the lifestyle to change it. Because of that, the taxpayers have to pay tons of money in medical issues while our medical industry goes downward in its overwhelming burden. At the very least a COMPLETE nutrition panel and warning should be VISIBLY available. Okay, we don't have to have a poster (although some places do) but I don't want to feel intimidated or worse like the clerk has no idea what I'm talking about when I ask for a nutrition menu. When I say complete, I mean complete. I know specials are for a short time only...print brochures or leaflets for that food. Also, can I get this at the drive through menu BEFORE I order?

The bottom line is most of us are not stupid and we have a mind of our own but culturally speaking unless the industry changes, the patrons will not (as a whole, not individually speaking). P.S. Advertisement/Marketing does work and this is one of the MOST marketed segment of retail industry.

One of my pet peeves (although a few places are getting better) is healthy means sandwhich or salad and pretty much nothing else. How unappetizing and boring after a while. No wonder I'm still choosing the mouth watering hamburgers. Oh, and salads do not always equal healthier so quit trying to fool us. Healthy food should not have to cost twice as much as fast food. I'm trying to feed a family here. Do you have any choices KIDS would like (as an entree..not a side of apples).

Yes, I should eat at home, but I want my cake and eat it too (not literally).

[nelie]

I have to say I loathe fast food restaurants. I went into a McDonald's not too long ago and the smell of grease made me feel sick. I am thankful that I don't like fast food. I enjoy hamburgers but I rather get one at some place like Red Robin if I am going to have them. (actually grilled sirloin burgers is the plan for tomorrows dinner) For me, I rather have places that don't want to serve healthy food because I know where not to go. If I want a salad or a sandwich, I'm not going to go to a place that serves fried chicken or hamburgers. If someone wants a greasy burger or fried chicken, then they know where to go. I agree that KFC should look into a healthier oil but they shouldn't be sued for doing what they've been doing for years.

[Diem]

I heard the same people suing KFC this time are wanting to go after Starbucks because some of their drinks are just pathetically high in calories and fat. They want the calories and fat of each drink to be added to the menu in the store for everyone to see. I hope it happens.

[jillybean720]

I heard the same people suing KFC this time are wanting to go after Starbucks because some of their drinks are just pathetically high in calories and fat. They want the calories and fat of each drink to be added to the menu in the store for everyone to see. I hope it happens.
meh, I think this is dumb, too, personally. I mean, if you're drinking Starbuck's or having their pastries, why would you think they're good for you, anyway? Nothing with milk/cream/sugar/sweet flavorings/whipped topping sounds healthy to me. I just think people need to have more common sense and take the responsibility to check the nutritional info online (seriously, how many people are having Starbuck's that don't have a computer at home or at work?). I think VERY few people would be deterred from a snack or drink by seeing the calories posted on the menu board--they may think, "Wow, that's a lot of calories--I'm so bad!" and just giggle and have it anyway :dizzy:

[midwife]

I threw out Olive Garden Tiramisu when I realized each piece has 1200 calories. I knew there would be a lot of calories, but I was surprised it was that much. I would choose to not purchase something if the calories were too high. I believe that these companies know that people would make different choices, which is why they are not upfront.

[hockeyfan7]

My only question is, what part of Kentucky FRIED Chicken makes it sound healthy? Since when is anything fried good for you? Why would anyone assume that frying doesn't add fat and calories? And how is frying it in healthy oil really going to help anyone?

Now if they were suing to force a baked chicken option on the menu or something like that, I could see that being healthy for consumers.

But any kind of fried food is not a good thing for consumers no matter who is making it.

From everything I have read and shows I have seen on Sanders, his original recipe chicken was fried in lard, not oil. Melted lard. That's one of the things that gave it a better taste.

[Jayde]

From everything I have read and shows I have seen on Sanders, his original recipe chicken was fried in lard, not oil. Melted lard. That's one of the things that gave it a better taste.

Lard doesn't have to be transfat. It could be just animal derived saturated fats. I really would like to know which his original recipe used.

[midwife]

But they say they take health issues seriously!!

The main problem I have is that these large corporations seem to be using ingredients and cooking methods that are outside the mindset of a typical consumer. If I make fries at home, I use fresh potatoes, vegetable oil, and sea salt. If I buy fries at McDonald's, the fries are cooked in beef tallow. However would an average consumer assume that beef tallow would be an ingredient in fries?

Same thing with the woman who spilled the hot coffee from McDonald's and is now the butt of jokes around the world. Typical restaurant coffee is kept hotter than typical home coffee, yes, but in that situation, it had been kept even hotter than what restaurant standards are....causing burns more severe than they would have been if caused by home coffee or other restaurant coffee.

These corporations are not playing by common sense rules. They are cutting corners and using ingredients and preparation methods that most people would not consider.

Yes, I was shocked to read in Fast Food Nation that here in the good old US of A, cow entrails are slashed in the meat processing plants and manure is processed right along with old Bessie. I was shocked that cattle are not fed grass, but meat. And I am well-educated. I may be naive but I am not stupid. These companies want to keep their dirty little secrets so that they can continue to rack up huge profits at the expense of the American public's health.

Buyer beware? That's what the tobacco companies said for years. Lies, twisted statements...advertising unhealthy products to juveniles.

KFC says they take health seriously. What a crock.

[jillybean720]

Same thing with the woman who spilled the hot coffee from McDonald's and is now the butt of jokes around the world. Typical restaurant coffee is kept hotter than typical home coffee, yes, but in that situation, it had been kept even hotter than what restaurant standards are....causing burns more severe than they would have been if caused by home coffee or other restaurant coffee.
Wow...I don't think I have ever met anyone who agreed with the coffee-spilling woman. Since she got millions, then I think every person who sipped that coffee and burned their tongues that day should have gotten a cut, too. At least they were all smart enough to not drive with the cup of hot coffee between their legs, so actually, maybe they deserve more than her, since she should be docked for additional stupidity :devil: I mean, the coffee pot was likely just sitting on the warming burner, like all restaurant coffee does. I'm sure no one was sitting there with a thermometer saying, "oh, good, it's 20 degrees hotter than it should be!" Show me a restaurant that follows 100% of the rules 100% of the time, and I'll show you that I've got the last living unicorn hiding in my back pocket.

I don't know...to each their own opinion, but I stand by my belief that people need to be responsible for themselves and not be babysat by some lawsuit-happy overprotective organization. I am fully capable of seeking out information on the products I use, and if I don't assume that responsiblity and take that step myself, then I don't think I have the right to blame anyone else for what I do to myself that may be detrimental to my health (especially when it's something as obvious as calories and fat in fast food, or coffee being hot).

[midwife]

These companies could be making better choices, but they are not. Trust me, in my profession I am not a fan of lawsuits....but sometimes they are the only way to facilitate change.


Just wanted to add that the jury, who had access to info we do not, agreed with her. http://lawandhelp.com/q298-2.htm

[Jayde]

Midwife, your post about what the common consumer expects was a beautiful post. This is exactly why these same companies use different ingredients and cooking methods in many overseas countries. Because consumers there expect the best possible and laws are made to ensure that they get it.

[Misti in Seattle]

Yes, I was shocked to read in Fast Food Nation that here in the good old US of A, cow entrails are slashed in the meat processing plants and manure is processed right along with old Bessie. I was shocked that cattle are not fed grass, but meat. And I am well-educated. I may be naive but I am not stupid. These companies want to keep their dirty little secrets so that they can continue to rack up huge profits at the expense of the American public's health.


Actually the more I read the more I am beginning to agree with you... NOT about lawsuits for people eating stuff that is just plain fattening. That is their own darn fault. However, in reading books like Fast Food Nation and learning more about just what is going on, I am starting to think something needs to be done about it. And yes, I know we have to be careful about what we read in books and believing all of it... I admit Schlosser lost a lot of my trust when he began continually blaming one political party and saying the other was trying to change things. Doesn't matter which is which and which one I am... it is ridiculous IMO to believe that either political party is trying to do much about it instead of playing into the political "pork" (pun intended).

However, I have also read from other sources... some of them put out by our US government... so I do know that a lot of this is true.

AND they don't just feed the cattle entrails and "meat" -- they also feed them chicken droppings which come from chicken farms... "droppings" being the big word for a word I can't even SAY on 3FC or I will get bleeped but you get my drift. :) Oh and restaurant table scraps... who knows what diseases those people might have had who left it. Not to mention dead dogs, cats, whatever!

And the processing techniques... YIKES. You are right... they are actually ALLOWED to leave manure and stuff in it.

I am one for big personal responsability... but I don't think the average consumer does know this and I think it is beyond the scope of what they should have to educate themselves on. When restaurant ice samples are proven to have more "fecal matter" (i.e. human manure) in them than the toilets it has gone too far. I should be able to buy a cup of ice and have some confidence there is not you-know-what in it.

Also, some of the fast food restaurants are putting beef even in such things as grilled chicken sandwiches to make them taste better. If I buy a chicken sandwich I should have a reasonable expectation I am getting chicken; not beef.

As I said... I am beginning to change my mind about the lawsuits. But I think it would be MORE effective even if people just stop buying this crap. I was encouraged the other day... I went to our local library and was looking for books similar to Fast Food Nation. From our library we can search the entire Seattle area system... Fast Food Nation had over 100 holds placed on it! There was not ONE book I could find on this in the system that was not checked out and had holds on it. I put several on hold myself. So word is starting to spread!

[Misti in Seattle]

If everyone stopped eating in these places, they would be forced to change their menu's or go out of business.

Exactly! And that is what books such as Fast Food Nation are trying to point out to people! The fast food places will NOT stop unless the public gets enough of it and stops buying it. Well they gone ONE person to stop!! Since I've been on a healthful plan I never buy there anyway... but now I would not even drink a cup of water from one of them. If I wanted to eat human waste I have plenty in my own toilet, thanks! :)

[Misti in Seattle]

Misti,
I just went back and red your entire post before mine. OMG!!! This is stuff I'd not heard! Fecal matter in the food??? Don't they have to pass health inspections and stuff?? Oh wow....well. that's if for me, for sure. Occationally I'd have a Happy Meal as a treat, well, now I'm thinking "that's not a treat". EWWW! thanks for posting that Misty. And I'll be sure to check out Fast Food nation. What an eye opener.

Oh yah it's legal all right for some of it to be in the meat. But meat processing plants are managing to bypass even the legal requirements, at least from many sources I am reading (I don't pretend to be an expert)

I'm not supposed to post a lot of links... but if you google words such as USDA fecal meat test etc. you will find lots of information!!

Yah... start reading the books! There is a lot in that book that is too "sick" for me to even post here, as some people would be too disgusted to even want to read it.

I knew it was bad but it is FAR worse than I had any idea of!!! My recent studies have pushed me over the line to start darkening the doors... and going out of my way to get to... a health focused market here even though I know it is expensive. I'm working too hard to get healthy to fill my system full of garbage!

[DeafinlySmart]

The Too Hot Coffee: The coffee in that particular restuarant had been reported as too hot and over the limit too many times. It wasn't a 1 time occurance. It just took someone getting seriously burned to result in anything. Yes, she could have put it somewhere besides between her legs but many of us do that (I don't drink coffee..so I don't mean me).
Consumers Beware: Consumers are NOT aware of the details of the products they buy. I know I'm not aware of most of what was posted previously.

What animals eat before we get them doesn't make a difference to taste, it is just cruel to animals and shocking that it is allowed to happen.

Beyond that, YES they should post their stuff including ingredients, etc just like the back of a label on a can (which I think should post more). Many of us WOULD continue to make bad choices, but I promise many would look and make better of those bad choices if they realize one cup of this coffee is 1500 cal but a similar cup of a different coffee is only 800 calories. Some things I think is a no brainer and fried food is one of them. I remember being shocked (when I was less educated on food) at how many calories Taco Salad at Taco bell had in comparison to many of its seemingly less healthy food. Coffee is much the same way. Many of us would never guess unless it has cream in it that it is MUCH different in calories than the stuff at home. I think the post about us offering with a different set of ingredient mindset is correct.

Will consumers still be stupid? Of course. We like our freedom of choices. I still buy a candybar sometimes and yes I know it is bad for me. What I disagree with is SECRECY and lack of VARIETY! Can we have something healthy besides subs and salads? Can we list the information (for everything) so I know if those sub or salads are even healthy (cuz sometimes the stuff that looks good just isn't).

I'm gonna use a totally different example. Many people think it is common sense that people with disabilities should recieve certain accomodations. Without the government protection no matter what people believe, it doesn't happen because the bottom line always happens first. Even accomodations that don't cost money are outside the realm of businesses everyday thinking and even THAT is hard to get without the protection of the law (and gasp even with the protection of the law it isn't seamless).

My point is there is a point to government regulation. Unfortunately America depends on it to get anything done.

[jillybean720]

I'm not going to sit here and say I don't mind having fecal matter in meat, but I still think lawsuits such as this are insane. If this lawsuit were trying to improve the quality of meat, that would be one thing (and not just because it's fatty or has high calories), but this is about oil A vs. oil B, neither of which have possibly disease-ridden animal parts or droppings.

Oh, and mel67--be careful...it's NOT only in fast food meat these things are happening...

I guess I'm just naturally so cynical about things that none of this information suprises me in the least. Maybe that's sad because finding out this new information won't change the way I eat (although I've already changed a lot of things based on trying to become healthier anyway, but you know what I mean). I could read that McDonald's made their burger from raw sewage and rat meat, and I would still eat it once in a while :dizzy:

[Misti in Seattle]

Smart, what they feed the animals may not make a difference in how the meat tastes... although I would dispute that... but it sure makes a difference in what we are putting into our bodies! My parents raised beef cattle... properly I might add... so I do consider myself to have some knowledge of this particular subject.

And LOL it is fine if people don't mind eating fecal matter in their hamburgers and soft drinks; personally I do. :)

As far as the woman who got the coffee burns... I totally agreed that the lawsuit was ridiculous... until I saw pictures of her legs and the actual burns. Yikes! Nothing anywhere remotely close to "normal" hot coffee did that!!!! The burns were horrendous.

[DeafinlySmart]

I didn't say I WANTED fecal matter in my food, but that it is more of an animal cruelty issue in my mind. Many animals eaten around the world eat fecal matter (dog..hhmm). I know we don't but I'm saying the govt should step into that because it is an animal cruelty issue (we aren't the only ones of concern that they govt should protect).

[mandalinn82]

I'd like to point out that there is an acceptable fecal matter limit in bottled water...a level of fecal bacteria that is acceptable in a bottle of bottled water according to regulations. This isn't just a meat problem. Its not pleasant to think about, but fecal matter and fecal coliforms are everywhere. Organic veggies usually test high for fecal coliforms, as do conventionally farmed produce. And meat is probably the area we least have to worry about this - cooking kills any harmful bacteria that come from fecal matter, but you don't always cook your veggies (and certainly not your bottled water!).

There isn't, however, an acceptable level for fecal coliforms in municipal tap water - none can be detected or the water is declared to be not up to standard. So if you're really worried about eliminating fecal matter from your food sources, drink tap water.

[jillybean720]

mandalinn--I've heard many times that tap water is actually much safer than bottled, so just chiming in to agree :)

I do think what an animal eats makes a difference as to how the meat tastes (on another post just yesterday somewhere here on 3FC was mention of how meat from animals who eat primarily corn diets tastes much better, likely because of the higher amounts of sugar in corn versus other animal feeds). However, I also think that there are so many additives and whatnot nowadays that the flavor of the actual meat itself doesn't even matter. Besides, I know that I, for one, can't really pinpoint the flavor of the meat at McD's...not with the bun and the ketchup and the pickles and the mustard and the onions and the...I bet no one would even notice if they started using a different type of meat, so long as the texture still resembled that of a burger :dizzy: