Fibro Thread#23

[Happy Canuk]

Well Joanna, I hope you are successful in finding the wholewheat pasta. Catelli makes it (don't know if that is an American brand or not). If you can't find it in the grocery store, perhaps a health food store would have it. It cooks up a little firmer that normal pasta, but tastes really good.

Tootie- Congratulations. A new little granddaughter - that is great. And a nice size baby as well. That ott to keep you busy for the next little while. Hope you are feeling ok. You forgot to tell us.

Meme - Are you getting better? You seemed more your nasty self yesterday!(lol) Hope it continues.

Ally- for the life of me, I can't remember what you posted. You were increasing the fibre in your diet. Does it work for you? I am going to move a posting from Clouds re: diet over here, because it was very interesting. Hope your son is starting to get better. How much longer will he be in the cast?

Candice. That was a pretty picture you posted. Were those flowers from your place? It must be joy to look out and see such beautiful flowers. I don't envy the work you are doing, but I do envy you being able to look at such beautiful things.

To the other Newbies, come on in and talk with us.

[Happy Canuk]

.Someone had asked about gastric bypass surgery, and this is part of the response.




Most of us with FMS become carboholics. We are addicted to carbohydrates as a source of energy since our bodies do not function right to produce what we need. And all the excess carbs are converted to and stored as fat, but then is not metabolized so we store it and add to it.
If you have the surgery, it will be a temporary fix to a long term problem. You will find yourself fatigued because you will not be able to ingest all the energy producers you need, regardless of how hard you try. This will be frustrating. You will lose some weight, but only until the bypass is reversed. Then you will start eating again to meet your energy demands, resulting in weight gain.
Rather, it would be better to address the underlying cause, the carbo cravings, and alleviate them.
I suggest you start on the hypoglycemic diet proposed by Dr StAmand and supplement heavily with vitamins and minerals. Making the change in lifestyle to a high protein, low carb diet; followed by a return to a more balanced diet, such as the Zone Diet, once you have retrained your body, will be better for weight loss and maintenance, much healthier for you, and will also allow you to establish a routine exercise and nutritional program you can follow .

[Mima]

Hi there from Mima-Trazedone is an anti-depressant which I take 50 mg of at night to help me into a deeper sleep and it seems to work-before I started taking it I slept fitfully all night.Tolmetin is for inflammation which I know there isn't any of but it works. Had a hard time tolerating the others-they would make me sleepy. Another name for Trazedone is Desyrel and Tolectin is another name for Tolmetin.

[Ally0306]

Fiber Diet. I still haven't gotten on the scale. I thought I would with the Mammogram, but what a lucky day. I didn't have to see that thin woman clunk that little weight thing up to 170 or thereabouts. I might be a mite bit under. I think the fiber has taken about an inch of fat from around my waist. Either that or the Ab machine.
I bought some of those elastic waist pedal pushers at K-mart and they are nice and baggy.
I just don;t want to get on the scale and get disappointed.
Happy, my son went to the Doc today. He can start putting a little weight on his leg and they are recommending therapy. Good for him, one more bit of stress for me.
You should see my cream colored carpet. There is not a spot without stains.
Yuck.
Time for a driving lesson. My other son has his test next week and he is So unprepared.
I missed a Tootie post...how did the birthing go and did the kids participate?????

[MemeToo]

Hmmm...no wheat, no sugar, no caffeine...so...what's left??? Oh...yes...lettuce!!!

Congrats grandma Phyllis!

I miss Candice already!

I always feel better when I eat a diet high in protein and low in sugar and carbs...but my body CRAVES carbs ALL THE TIME!!! I still can't believe I've gained 18 pounds in just 6 weeks! Part of it is the prednisone I took. And it didn't even help that much, either!!! I started back on the methotrexate last Fri. I lost weight taking that before (maybe that's why I've been gaining, too...going off it! Hadn't thought about that!)

Ally...where did you hear that you are supposed to go off the 5 HTP for awhile? I hadn't heard that!!! (I think it was you that said that...confused now that we've started a new thread and I can't look back to see who said what.)

I think this is the most new people we've ever had at once in here! The more the merrier! FYI...I'm 54, been married 36 years in July, have 2 children (boy and girl) and 4 grandchildren (2boys 2girls) and a golden retriever named Sammy (but she's a girl!) I keep 2 of my grandchildren, teach piano and do mystery shopping for several companies. (I also have an internet "business" that is doing absolutely nothing and taking up half my time!!!) I'm addicted to carbs, thrillers (books and movies), shopping, eating out and the net. I have had osteoarthritis in my knees since I was 9...had surgery on both, and have had rhematoid arthritis and fibromyalgia for about 20 years. Oh yes...and I live in TN about half way between Nashville and Knoxville...OK...now it's your turn...tell us something about you!

tootie...next time you type a long post highlight it, right click on it and click "copy"...then if you lose it you can pull the message box back up and right click again and choose "paste" and there it will be!!!

I don't feel like proof reading this mess of a message so if I made any mistakes just look over them...they surely can't be any worse than 'gegetables'. :lol:

Newcomers...here's a pic. of me and my doggie!

[Mima]

Hi from Mima-I'm from MA.and am 62 years old.My husband died ten years ago but I was divorced before that.I was an elementary teacher for 34 years and I have a job right now correcting the MA. teacher test 8 weeks a year-they put us up in a hotel and feed us lots of good food. My only salvation is to walk a lot while I'm there.
I've had fibromyalgia since I was in my 20's and was very debilitated for 2 years in my 40's. The stress of my divorce aggravated it. And working too hard.
Right now my pain is minimal-I go to the YMCA and have joined an Arthritis in the water class. I still have to be careful because I pull muscles easily. I also walk.
I have 3 children-the oldest is married and I have an 11 year old grandaughter with Spina Bifida. They live in FT. Myers where I spend 2 months in the winter.Right now I'm looking for a little part time job to keep me from spending money and eating!!!!!!!Right now I'm 10 lbs overweight and definitely crave the carbs. Low doses of prednisone do not help.I;m trying Suzanne Somers and may go back to WW where I'm a lifetime member.Enough!It's fun to be on the message board.!Picture will follow another time as I have a new computer and am just learning how to use it.

[Ally0306]

Welcome Mima. I think I would like to lose 20 lbs. That would bring me to where I was when I was young and thought that was unbelievably obese.
Every weekend I have been pulling out a load of clothes from my closet to wash and then donate. All my beautiful size 10-12 dresses and sweaters. I am 45 and know I would be starting to gain weight now just with age, but I feel like this happened overnite.
I have had fibro (first diagnosed with chronic fatigue) for two years and had gained about 10 lbs when I went on Paxil and gained another 20 in minutes. I can't get rid of it.
Either I can't get the diet going at the time my pain is minimal and I can get exercise.......or I am exercising and yet still eating carbs like crazy. Just can't win.
Meme....I did read that you should take breaks from 5-HTP. I think it is because you shouldn't get your system usd to extra doses of serotonin, but I can tell that is what my body wants.
And your weight gain......ironic that it happens when you are on 5-HTP because that is what some people use as a diet aid. It doesn't help me stop craving carbs, but I do think mood and eating go hand in hand and I feel in a more upbeat mood when on this stuff.
Oh, the beloved is here to get my kids. My son's cast stinks and I tried to wash the inside of it.... Now the whole house smells like his feet.

[Happy Canuk]

Well Ally, did you get the feet smell out of the house? You are so funny! Casts do get to smell pretty terrible after awhile. Can't they put a fiberglass one on him? I just read a very interesting book called From Fatigued to Fantastic. It is written by Jacob Teitelbaum, MD - who had fm. He talks about several underlying problems that cause Chronic Fatigue and that fm is a sleep disorder of Chronic Fatigue (same disease). Once all underlying causes are treated, the fm will subside, in some cases vanish. Very interesting.

Will talk later.

[MemeToo]

So.....what the heck is the underlying causes???
Inquiring minds want to know!!!

[Mima]

Just got back from the grocery store and I found a brand of whole wheat pasta=Hodgson Mill-they had macaroni,lasagna,angel hair,and spaghetti-

website-www.hodgsonmill.com and a phone #
1-800-525-0177 ext.31
I live in MA.so I bought it at the Big Y but they are only in the east.Happy hunting Mima

[Happy Canuk]

Hi. Mima, thanks for posting that info. In Canada, we have wholewheat pasta on just about any grocery shelf. I find it very satisfying and can't tell the difference when eating, except, I think it remains a little firmer. I hope you will stay with us. I am 55 yrs. old, have a wonderful husband and two kids. The oldest is married and my son is not interested - yet! He says a woman would just cramp his lifestyle right now. He just turned 26 so he really has his whole life ahead of him. Best do what he enjoys now! We also have a wonderful little granddaughter. She just turned 3 in April and has put a spark back into everybody's life. I have o/a and fm, and have not been able to work for the past 6 years. Have an ongoing fight with SunLife over disability insurance. It is to stressful to continue to fight with them.

Mimi - Have you hung on the cliff long enough or should I leave you hanging a bit longer:lol: I will finish the rest of my saga tomorrow, and since nobody is on this board but me I guess that will be just fine:s:

Tootie - where have you gone? Did your grandchildren go to see the birthing? Are you helping look after the kids? What is going on with you. Come tell us, Please!

Ally - Where are you? haven't heard from you for a day or two. Last thing you said was your ex was there to pick up the boys. Did you go to?(lol)

Candice - Are you back yet?

Joanna - In case you pop in, hello. Come back to talk to us.

[MemeToo]

STILL HANGING!!!

[Ally0306]

Hi Everybody......No, Happy, I did not leave with the Beloved. I tell you, he gets me so miserable. I had to have a talk with my sons about his sickness (depression). They deal with him so much different than I do. I used to scream terrible thoughts in my head when he was whining and complaining and blaming everything in the world on something or someone else. My kids have started to scream at HIM. He then goes into a temper tantrum and the three of them are in a no-win little display of immaturity. So...I know I can't change him. He went to a psychiatrist once and was given Prozac, but he stopped it after a week saying it made him sleepy. So, I had to tell the kids that THEY have to change their behavior around him.
I can'[t believe I ever slept with him. Maybe I didn't. It could have been an alien abduction.
Anyway.....I did read that book, Happy. There was another one also that talked about boundaries and trying to stay within them to avoid over stgressing your immune system.
I think the underlying stuff is all immune system damage......
I got myself stressed out when a friend came over on Satruday. Ran around and cleaned and shopped, made snacks. I was so hyped and anxiety ridden that I didn't even enjoy our time together.
I used to be more spontaneous.......

[MemeToo]

Spontaneity hmmm...I used to know what that was! Now I do good to get done what I have to and hardly ever get done what I've planned to! I do the same thing Ally... invite company...kill myself cleaning, etc... then can't wait until they leave so I can be alone and rest! (Being alone...that's another thing I've forgotten about...along with resting...so many forgotten things!)

[Mima]

Good to hear from everyone-I couldn't stand somersizing-I was always hungry s0 I went to WW of which I am a lifetime member-I don't have much weight to lose but at my age and with the meds it comes off slowly. Anyhow I like those points-I am a math person and I feel like I have control-WEnt to a great Y class yesterday but my chronic pain in the left rib is back-that fibro-it creeps up anytime-by the way, one of the Y people says to be sure to drink water because of the muscle problem. I try but could do better. Have a great day everyone. mima

[Joanne D]

Hi Everyone-- Happy Canuk I don't think I will find any stores or brands mentioned here :( ,But I still have a few stores left. This is Florida and since I have lived here all my life I am aware that only the same markets are available. I would not want to order a case of a product. I think that would be the case by ordering it on the web. :?: I do find that we can find so many really good suggestions here though.
I lurk around a lot of the sites. I get so much good advice that people don't or maybe do realize they are giving . This is like the Ann Landers in the morning paper ,for me. I read her faithfully. Sometimes She and others have a lot to offer. :p
I'll be back another time ,when I have something productive to say. I hope it will not take me so long to find you . I had a devil of a time this time as I forgot where I was last.:o Joanne

[Ally0306]

Hi Everybody. I was just thinking that maybe there is a weight that you are meant to be and no matter how much you try your body will try to maintain it. I haven't been on the scale, and I am trying to not think of myself as Dieting, but my Focus on Fiber has resulted in at least an inch or two off my waist, but I suspect this is it. Unless I start to starve.

I stayed at 130 pounds for quite a while before pregnancy. Then ended at 150 for a while and spent years starving trying to get back to 130. Then I hit Fibro and my 40s and there goes another 20 pounds. Now I am fighting to get back to 150. I think my body likes 170??
Know what I mean?

[Joanne D]

Hi Everybody--SMessage SUCCESS I found spaghetti and noodles . :dizzy: . But not the Linguine yet. I feel like I finally accomplished something. I am a person that will not giveup on something until it is done right.:D . I call it persistance,my husband says it is a pain in the neck. Too Bad. I hope it is good , because I am going to make him eat it too. :devil:
We had some good rain today here in central Florida. We sure need all we can get. By you good ladies...Joanne:lol:

[Joanne D]

Ally- I know just what you mean. I weighed over 200lbs. for years. I finally got into WW for the 12+ time and lost 57 lbs. Now I am 152-154 back and forth for 3 yrs and can't seem to get it back down. :( Somebody told me that was because I was at the wt. my body liked. I too wonder if I should be satisfied and stop fighting myself all the time?? I wonder what some of the other ladies think?Do we ask too much of ourselves?It gets very frustrating. Sometimes ,I think that I dwell too much on food and how I should be or not be eating. I seem to be always planning the next meal!!:^: Then I think if I am not ever watchful I will be right back where I started at. :?:
Now I have started my day off as ever worring about my weight. I should look outside and see how nice it is. The sun is shining. I should be Thankful. Joanne:cool:

[tootie]

Hi ladies. Today is a hurt day with one swollen index finger and bad pain in back of the left leg.This is what the new rehmui said she wanted to see to establish if it is uric acid {gout} in the joints.
But too busy helping the new mom to go.
Everybody is helping, even the neighbors watching the kids while I bought the new baby and mom to the doctor.

About the idea that "our bodies like the weight we finaly ended up with"
When I was only 150 # I had been going to a shrink, also because of husband problems. She told me to accept myself and like myself no matter what I weighed.
Well, that was not good advice! and accepting what you weigh now is not good advice!! keep fighting it even if it is only a few pounds. Because had I kept fighting, I would not be almost twice that now.
The weight loss is very slow on sugar busters, but I keep on doing it because, I need to eat and keeping on the program even if I taste something not quite legal, I accept the falling off the wagon and get back on and try again.
It is not so slow for other younger people! I see how wondeful they are doing and all with eating real food.I fall back into the "I;m eating too much," mode and restrick my intake and find, I don't lose any more weight than if I have more protein.
But Alley fight you must, other wise it creaps up wards.
You have to find a way of eating {woe so they like to put it}so that no matter what kind of mood your in, you still keep eating what is allowed.
If you are concentrating on fiber, that's good because all the foods that are good for you have fiber. Beans without sugar, and whole wheat pasta with sugarless tomato sauce is wonderful to eat and not feel deprived all the time. So even though my weight is changing ever so slowly, I still eat the right foods excepting for more protein. Just get tired of eating meat,chicken and fish.
Evey so often I reread the book and start all over again and I find I haven't fallen that far from the program.
So I'm here ladies just been so busy and tired when I come home, all I want to do is flop on the couch and watch something stupid on the tube.
The answer is to find a way to eat that will become normal.Restrict sugar all the time; eat high fiber all the time;eat fresh fruit all the time;drink water all the time, break the soda habit;drink tea; drink ice tea;keep fighting to find a way to eat right! Even weight watches would be find, if you didn't eat all your points on junk food.
Keep fighting. It doesn't feel good to be fat.

.

[Ally0306]

Joanne..................... I spend way too much time thinking about food too. And when I was jumping on the scale everyday, that was my guage as to what my mood would be for the day. And I was constantly disappointed so I got off the scale and am trying to find a healthy eating lifestyle rather than diet.
And Tootie....I hear ya. I am afraid that soon my body will "like" 200 or more pounds and then I won't be able to get that off.
I just feel frustrated though because I am eating healthier than I ever have.
Cause I am obsessive about it, every day I methodically plan out fiber and won't eat a meal without a great percentage of fiber. I bring raw veggies and fruit to work. People laugh at my nuts and twigs and tree bark. I had been eating sunflower seeds with the shell on....talk about fiber. Might as well eat tree trunks. Its a wonder I didn't get splinters on the way out.
And I will say that if I stick to this...I feel a lot better. And, yeah. I lost a little roll of fat around my waist.
But I think if I eat like this I am probably going to stay at about 160.
And If I look at myself compared to my peers, (45 yrs old with kids) I am probably about average.
I just cleaned out all my 10s and 12s from my closet and I didn't have one friend I could give them too. We have all gotten chunky.
But I still WANT to weigh less.
I want to wear jeans again.

Watch out girls. One of my sons got his driver's license today.

[Happy Canuk]

Tootie - you actually posted more than a dozen words. So good to hear from you. Sorry that you are so tired - that is a big load to heap on yourself, but I am sure you will do it cheerfully:dizzy: I am not sure about all the young people and them NEEDING to have their children see everything that happens to them. Sometimes kids are better off just being kids and that means without worries. When they see things, like childbirth, you have to wonder what goes through their little heads. The same, as when my daughter was in the hospital, hooked up to IV's etc. Don't they thing, for a moment, what effect this might have on the child. All kids are different, but gee! When I was young, you weren't allowed in the hospital until you were 12 to visit anyone; then when my daughter was born, everyone had to wear a cap and gown to come visit; with my son, some of the same, now anyone and their dog is allowed. The babies go home the day after birth, so now I have to wonder, what was the big deal about all this a way back when! Make time and go to the Dr., Phyllis. They may just be able to help you if they find out for sure what it is.

Ally - I don't think that your body thinks it needs to be a certain weight; however, as we age, we can never look the same as we did in our 20'2 even if we weigh exactly the same. I think your body has a set point, but ever notice how that changes each time you go on a diet - and I don't mean it gets lower. If you started out at 170, lose 30 pounds, and start gaining weight again, you will probably end up being 175 lbs. Why can't it reset itself to the lower point! If they knew that, I guess the diet industry would die. We all have to just keep plugging away, but as long as you are eating sensibly and eating enough fruit and vegetable (or is getetables hmmm, must ask Meme) you should be ok. The important thing is to make sure the body is nourished.

Meme - still hanging? It has to do with homones. The hypothalamus is the master gland; It sends hormones to the pituitary gland, which inturn controls the thyroid gland, the adrenal glands and the ovaries in females. The hypothalamus also monitors the levels of the hormones that all these glands make and tells the glands whether to make more or less. The Dr. says, all the glands need to be checked out, including the pineal gland that makes melatonin.

As just noted, the pineal, hypothalamus and pituitary glands, located deep within the brain, work together to direct th balance the body's energy (the metabolic system) and defense(the immune system) as well as the part of the nervous system that controls blood flow to the skin, muscles and organs (the autonomic-sympathetic-parasympathetic nervous systems) Current evience suggests that a major portion of the symptoms of CFIDS and FM are manifestations of poorly functioning hypothalamus.

It goes on in great detail about what role each gland plays, and how it affects the body, and what it does it malfunctioning. Each one needs to be checked out and treated as a whole treatment, not bits and pieces. Once this is done, many people, including this Dr., have gotten rid of the pain and symptoms; others have just gotten rid of a lot of the pain and began to function.

In the back of the book, is a section written for Dr., and he asks that you take this book to them so that they can read what he is talking about - treatment wise. Try get it from the library. It has good info. and I think I will take this book into the Dr., and ask him to read it in his spare time(may take a year or two haha). Since the man who wrote it is a medical dr., the Dr. shouldn't think one is being to pushy, right?

Ally, what did you think of this book?

Joanna - glad you found the pasta. Perserverence is a wonderful thing. It really doesn't taste any different. I have been using it for 3 or 4 years, and my husband doesn't know the difference. Just a bit firmer when cooked, I think. Happy cooking!

Mima - Thanks for passing the inform on re: wholewheat pasta. You and Joanna don't seem to have much weight to lose, and that is great. Want to share your secrets with the rest of us? Do you not get the carb cravings when that horrible exhaustion sets in? Candice says, she just rests, but I can't do that. My body just goes nuts and wants sugar. It doesn't happen all the time, but it is often enough to sabatogue a good diet!

When is Candice due back?

[Joanne D]

Happy Canuk- I had some of the Whole Wheat mac. tonight. I misjudged my amount and cooked too much. One cup dry was too much cooked. :o If I could manage to control my cravings I might be able to lose more wt. I made a pig of myself this past week end. And yesterday I pigged out on crunchy peanut butter and jam. Now what kind of secret is that??:mad: I need to get off a least 10-15 more lbs!!!I did real well for awhile. So now I guess It is back to my journal. Got to get my rear in gear. I told my husband I was not buying anymore junk. He doesn't need either. Bye for now.. :) Joanne;)

[Mima]

First I bwant to tell Tootie that my aunt-who has food allergies like me-gets something called pseudo-gout-parts of her body swell like gout. She figured out it was from Red Dye 40 which,when you read labels, is in so many things. Luckily I don;t have that allergy because it's in my favorite-red wine.
I guess the secrets to my weight management are partly necessity. I am allergic to wheat and milk and eating them sets off fibro. I also have a problem with cholesterol and I can't take the med. So I watch my fat,sugar, and I exercise.
I am on my fourth day of WW.I am doing well-that stubborn pound came off so I have now lost the 4th pound I gained on the cruise I went on 3 weeks ago. Today will be a test-I am going to a retirement party.
What is the name of that book again?I love it when they say fibro can go away. AS for tired-sometimes drinking water helps but I take a nap every afternoon-while watching soaps-it helps. People laugh at me but they don't have fibro. Going for my monthly massage today!!Talk soon:devil: :devil: :devil:

[Mima]

I tried to put the devils after the red wine!!!!I'l learn

[Joanne D]

Good Morning -
Happu Canuk -I just love your little images you add. I'll have to get my daughter to show me how to do that ,when she comes down.
Mima good for you - getting those extra lbs off is a job well done. I have to do the same.
I am starting a new day. I hope with a better attitude. I think that is everything with me . That and not too much exercise of the elbow. :o
Happy Day... Joanne:)

[Happy Canuk]

EXERCISE OF THE ELBOW, like that also, exercise of the jaw. Parts that don't usually hurt, so I have no problem with them. I wish my back would stop hurting so that I could go our and walk. I am really afraid to go very far, for fear of not being able to get back:?:

Mima - good for you. That is so great. I guess that is called weight management then. Up just a few pounds and then get rid of them. Where you tested for allergies? How did you determine what they were? Sometimes I think I have food intolerances to a number of things as well.

Tootie -:^:

Meme -:dizzy: Are you feeling better or what? I sure hope so. come write more that 3 words and let us know what is up with you. When is Candice due back?

Ally - Hey, they were showing shots of people walking down the street on the news the other night, telling us Canadians and Americans are way to fat - I looked pretty good:lol: But I don't WANT to be one of them anymore. I would be happy if I could drop 30 pounds. Even 20 would make me happy. My daughter is on weightwatchers for almost a year, and she has lost over 50 pounds. She has also taken up running during that year, going to the Running Room program. I think she has done so well and I can't seem to stick to anything.

Anyway Ally, eating healthy is the main thing. I love nuts, just irritate my stomach and seem to bring on IBS. Eat them anyway!

Well everybody, hope you have a great day.

[Joanne D]

Hey All --- Happy Canuk-- I sure hope you feel better soon:) ..Your image reminds me of my daughters dogs and cats. They are pit bulls ,full grown. Very often you will find one of them sleeping in the garage with one of the cats snuggled up against it. These dogs would not let a stranger on the place but are gentle with a cat!
Do you have a treadmil ? I have one that I use now and then. I go out to walk every day. I started with a half mile and thought I was doing something big. Now I walk 3 and half or mor miles a day. I rarely miss more than a couple days a month.. Bye for now. Hope everyone has a good night...Joanne:wave:

[Ally0306]

Happy.....I read that book almost two years ago now and I did bring it to my Doc and what is funny about Docs is that they "appear" interested and do a lot of "hmmmmmms", but in the end they hand the book back unread. I can't remember all the parts of that book, but I do believe finding your boundary was in there too. That is a phrase my Doc used a lot....he would always advise me to stay within my boundaries and I would try and tell him that that was pretty tough seeing as how I have.....A Life.
And speaking of that......trouble on the home front. The beloved is in the dog house and I am not sure I will ever be able to forgive my kids for the things they said to me tonight. My Ex has a collection of junk cars occupying his yard which I'm sure pleases his neighbors, but tonight he followed my son home with one and they tried to convince me to let him have a car.
I said that the Driver's license was Step One.'
A "real" job and pay check is Step Two.
And a passing report card is Step Three......... and I am not skipping steps.
Both my kids went bonkers...they thought I would not be able to say no. They threatened to move out and I wouldn't let them play that card arbitrarily and I opted for them to go. Well, they ended up staying but after their father left they told me that they only stay here because I have a better house and more money and that they will drive the cars to their hearts content on the weekend and I will not have jurisdiction.
They talked about ME and things about me personally that they hate and right now they are going to bed peaceably after pacing outside the room I am in pleading with me to forget the things they said.....
I know this is teenage stuff and I know we have finally hit that one thing (car) that is ultra important, but I can't tell you how hurt I am.
I feel like I am living with people I don't even know.

[Happy Canuk]

Oh boy Ally, those teen years can be he**. Don't take it to heart; I know that some of the things they say cut like a knife, but remember that they just wanted something and you told them know. As much as they are growing up, parts of them are still the little boys you always knew - It is just a bigger temper tantrum. Stick to your guns. I agree that they should buy their own cars. Easy come-easy go. DON'T SIT AND CRY!, because I know that is what you are doing. Just let it out, forgive them and get on with your life. They still love their mommy!

MEME - I AM SCREAMING AT YOU. WHERE THE HECK ARE YOU:s: I THOUGHT CANDICE WAS THE ONE GOING AWAY, NOT YOU. YOU CAN'T HAVE A HOLIDAY FROM US. COME BACK HERE!!!!:lol:

Joanna - No I don't have a treadmill. I was walking lots during the winter - about 3-4 miles every other day. I have a lot of trouble with my knees and legs when that fm flares up, and then I am lucky to walk a block. Can't manage the stairs then either. Just bending my knee kills me, but they aren't swollen, just feel that way.

Phyllis - Hope you are catching up on some rest, and that you got back to the Dr., or at least an appointment to do so - SOON:dizzy:

[Mima]

My body is in pain today and I'm going for a walk with my aunt. My masseuse told me that my shoulders throw off my whole body and that's why I have pain in my legs. I don't know. Fibro is so fickle.
Ally-you brought back memories of what I went through with my middle son. All that verbal abuse. Now he is the best kid-26 and extremely respectfully-probably has some guilt-I never gave up on him but I had to let go of his behavior. His Dad was an alcoholic and I was in Al-Anon and that helped a lot.
I went to a retirement party yesterday and probably used up 100 WWpts so I'm starting over today. It's easier to go to a restaurant where you can make choices. Everyone have a great day!!!!!!!!!!:?:

[Joanne D]

Hello -- Oh Boy Ally ,I know what you are going through. Children have a way of condemning you for something they want and don't get and then they can make you feel guilty you didn't give it to them. Hang in there . Don't give in. Swallow your tears and don't let them know how bad you hurt. They will stew awhile and then find something new to hand you.I am sure it is hard when they play mother and father against each other and esp. when they don't live together. The way life goes it is usually the mother who has to be strong. The Thanks comes when they are 40 and have a set of their own kids. When they get a dose of their own medicine. :devil:
Happy Canuk hope you feel much better today.:) I got on the scale today . I am not a Happy Camper!The weekend caught up with me, I guess.:(
Bye All ,Joanne:wave:

[tootie]

Hello all you ladies. I'll get to know all of you soon. Being the oldest,it takes me longer to work people out/in my scheme of things.
At this minute the rain is coming down fiercly and we have flood watches all over. It's what is left of Tropical Storm Allison.and it's droping 1/2 inches per hour.Since I'm new here, I don't know what to expect, but lots of Texas is flloding. {why} You would think that they would have this figured out by now!. I guess that's why I have flood insurance.

Believe it or not, my pain is not too bad, even with the bad weather!So when it's just damp and I feel really hurting, like why?

Joanne, all of the inflammation that flares up and goes in a day or two is almost gone.Had it one day in the ankle, one day in the index finger and one day in the back of the left leg. When it was in the ankle, I had to take out the crutches, couldn't put any weight on it.If I were able to go to the rehumi when it's here, she would take a fluid sample of the joint and put it under a microscope.Claims that uric acid tests are not good enough because the chrystals dissappear in a sample sent to a lab.
Got up at noon today so couldn't help the new mommy much except go grocery shopping.It felt good to know I had been sleeping and not showering!!!
Happy, You seem to have a world of knowledge at your disposal and amazes me how you retain all this. So I guess we all have a hypothalmus? and maybe it's caput?causing this thing called fibromyalgia.There is a lady on the sugar busters board called Ty blossom, and she lost something like 89 pounds{i think} and her fibro went AWAY. AWAY, do you read that.She is such a wonderful person, her whole family is on the sugarbusters program
.For any body who doesn't know what it is, you change eating processed food to whole grains, no white potatoes, no sugar, no white rice, no corn/corn flour; but low glycemic fruits and veggies.Fruit has to be eaten alone{while the tummy is almost empty} and you keep away from hi sugar fruits, like bannanas,watermellon, orange juice etc
Good fruits with lots of fiber and little sugar is berries, strawberries, blueberries, all which are yummy with a little whipped cream..
sorry for the mindless chater today. Keep well.
:wave:

[Ally0306]

Tootie....You're not the only one who will need a while to remember who is who with our newbies. And Joanne and Mima...thanks for your support about kids.
You too, Happy Anne.
This is an awful thing I learned from my own mother, but I am doing the silent treatment right now. Partly because I fear that I am so hurt that I would want to say something to hurt back and partly because this lets them know that a line has been crossed and I am seriously disappointed in them.
I went for a fish sandwich and a walk in the cemetary while their father picked them up and avoided that bit of tension.....but ironically didn't I happen on the graves of three kids from my graduating class back in 1974 who all died that year in car accidents. I think I will have to take my sons there for a peek.

So.....the fish sandwich was a no-no and not a good thing to fall back on during stress, but at least I didn't go for the fries and the milkshake.
Not in my fiber diet either and that'll mean i am bloated tomorrow.
That sugar busters diet probably does cure fibro. I truly believe the answer is in our diet.
Someone left a piece of Angel food cake with strawberries on it on my desk today. I don't even like it but am so weakened by stress that I just swallowed it down.....

[Candicej]

:smug: I'm back and 1.5 pounds lighter! My soapwart and star of Bethleham below........

[tootie]

Not only for the weight you lost but for those loverly flowers you grow and show!!
Also for the fact that you can bend on your knees to plant them and get up again!
The only flowers I have are the ones my daughter Cynthia, planted for me bordering the back of the pool and a few stand alone planters.
I miss her!
Ally I know what you mean about seeing a reminder that you knew 3 who died in auto crashes. It's sad and reminds us of our oun mortality.
I just heard of my last executive {boss} who was Mexican and came from El Paso Texas, who just said she felt poorly and then died. They claim it was an embolism. She was only 53, no children, because she worked fiercly to support her family and more recently, her European husband.
Don't you know that the first thing after feeling so sorry for her, I said to me, now he will have to get a job, or marry someone else.
So cynical am I !
By the way, If you have been seeing reports about 20 inch rainfalls, in the Houston area, you can believe them. The flooding is all around us. I went this morn to buy some bottled water, because there is too much flooding all around not to affect our services like water and sewer. electric and gas.
My son's new house is right in back of Indian spring creek. It is swollen and they have checked it out, there are snakes all over and the deer are nowhere to be seen.If it continues to rain until monday, I think the flood waters will close in on us that have seemingly high ground.No other way for the water to go.This is some disaster, a woman died in an elevator tying to get from the first floor garage and got stalled and drowned.other people got caught under the overpasses and the water covered their car before they could get out.
Wish me luck, in all propablity I will not be able to post any more until this is all over.
wish me luck!!!

[MemeToo]

Hi All...gee Phyllis...that sounds really bad...guess everything IS bigger in Texas like they say!!! Even rain! Hope you're ok.

Ally...just wait...hate to be the barer of bad news but IT GETS WORSE. Wait until you get daughter-in-laws!!!

I have been feeling really lousy lately. Plenty of sunshine here so I should be feeling better. I need to go on a fast...I always feel better when I do that for a couple of days.

[Ally0306]

Hey Guys....I am inside for a sun break. hate to say that in front of you, Tootie, but NY has had it's share of miserable weather and we deserve some nice sun.
Just have to remember that if I get too much, I get headaches and sick feeling.
Not much energy thanks to my stressed out few days with my own little dukes of hazard. One son has left numerous "i'm sorry" messages, the other is silent. So much more like his Dad and he will pay for that along the way. Meme....daughters-in-law will one day come to me and cry that these boys are so self-centered and I will insist that it did not come from me.....
I upped the fiber big time to combat that nasty McD fish sandwich and all is well with the world.
Congrats Candice.....one day I must get on the scale.
But I'll think about that tomorrow.

[Mima]

Hi from sunny Massachusetts. I'm feeling better-when I went to get a message she told me to make sure my knees were soft when I walk and I realized I hold my legs stiff. Trying to be aware of my body and have been listening to my stress tape. My hip hurts today but I went dancing last night and had a great time so it was worth it. Going to weigh in tomorrow-haven't been perfect-only good. there is a game you can play-when you first weigh in you wear heavy clothes and then shorts the next week. Still like ww because of the choices. ;) Have fun everyone.Mima

[MemeToo]

Hey...Mima...so then what do you do the THRID week!!! :lol:

I lost 3 of the 18 pounds I've gained last week! (I'm sooooo stupid I amaze myself sometimes!)

[Happy Canuk]

Started a new thread.:dizzy: