Dr. Phil's shows re: Weight Loss Solution [Archive] - 3 Fat Chicks on a Diet Weight Loss Community

mauvaisroux

09-24-2003, 04:15 PM

Hello everyone! :wave:

I wasn't sure where to post the discussions of Dr. Phil's weekly shows on the Ultimate Weight Loss Solution but I figured it would be good to keep this in the same area as the book club since it is related :)

I watched Monday's show - brutal! And the big fight over the junk food clearout :yikes: It was like watching Big Brother with dieters! A lot of interesting things were said and came into play.
I think I would have opted for the take out meal to be my first good meal instead of my last bad meal knowing the Doc was watching. I would have ditched the junk food but not before a discussion with everyone first to see what the consensus was and taken a vote. It should have been everyone's decision.
I felt so bad for Terri during that phone call to her fiance!

I unfortunately did not tape Tuesday's show :(

Can anyone fill me in on who Dr. Phil picked as the final 8 and why?

diphthong

09-24-2003, 06:43 PM

He didn't pick the 8 yet, if he will at all. He interviewed only 6, individually, of the 13. Next Monday, the others get interviewed. He wanted to see where their hearts and heads are.

You say, "I think I would have opted for the take out meal to be my first good meal instead of my last bad meal knowing the Doc was watching." What if nobody was watching? I think Dr. Phil was testing their accountability to themselves and not an external force.

The junk food pantry was set up for a reason. No one should have opted to remove any of the junkfood until they got to the part of changing their environment. Fred's birthday was celebraTted with his all-time favorite food - birthday cake, and it sure looked yummy! The point wasn't about tempting him or the others with a cake, but to show it's OK to have a treat and not deprive yourself, but not every day, and not a whole cake. Dr. Phil, IMO is using certain triggers to make them see what they will have to deal with in their real lives, and that they have choices. The choices they make will tell the story.

One thing for sure is they all have emotional and self-esteem issues!

dip

mauvaisroux

09-24-2003, 07:14 PM

I still would have opted for the first "good" meal even if no one is watching - just because when I decide to do something I throw myself into but 3 months later is another story :lol:

I agree with you about the junk food being there for a reason but if they wanted to throw it out then that would be their decision, unfortunately that was not everyone's decision and everyone should have been consulted- the few who trashed the food change the other participants environment without their permission.

Personally I would have left it just to prove to myself that I could walk by it and ignore it and again, as you pointed out, it would not only be a challenge that you would have to face at home but also one you would have to face for the rest of your life every time you went out to the grocery store, out to eat, or to someone else's home where you can't control the environment.

Re: people's emotional issues- interesting how some of the people have low self-esteem yet manage to come across as agressive and pushy ..hmmm...:chin: but that may also be a self-defense mechanism - the psychology involved is quite fascinating really.

nanj

09-24-2003, 08:10 PM

I thought that he was only going to do the weight-loss shows on Mondays! Is this going to be a regular scheduled thing for Monday and Tuesday. I've really not had much time in my life to watch him on a regular basis and still can't, but I would like to tape the weight loss shows.

diphthong

09-24-2003, 08:36 PM

I did too until I watched Monday and he said "tomorrow . . ."

Although I'm a stay at homer, Dr. Phil is on at 2PM, right in the middle of the day. It's really annoying to have to stop what I'm doing, or try to be home at that time. I even wrote a letter last year to our NBC affiliate complaining about the time slot. If they switched him with Montel Williams at 3PM, I'd be much happier and be able to manage my time. I don't know how to program the VCR.

Speaking of environment, here's one that really bugs me. Our grocery store is set up so that as you walk in the door, the bakery is on the right and the deli on the left. You have to walk through both to get to the produce dept., and for me it's torture because of the smells. I know they do it on purpose. I just lift my head, don't look and walk fast. Also, several years ago, someone pointed out to me that the main staples and what you need most are on the outside perimeter aisles. Stay out of the food aisles. I've gone from an impulse buyer with an unlimited budget to a list taker, and buy only what's on the list. I don't even want to think about the $1,000.00's of dollars I've thrown away in uneaten food, only because it looked good in the store.

Since we've been eating healthy, I spend about $65.00 a week tops, for 2 of us compared to $120.-130 a week. Don't ever fall for the fallacy that eating healthy is expensive. What the trick is, because you aren't buying prepackaged easy to prepare foods and junk, you do have to spend more time planning and preparing. I used to absolutely hate to cook. Now I enjoy it because I know it's going keep us on track. Because I control the food and the kitchen and what goes on the table, DH has lost right along with me. Double joy!

But I still have a hard time getting passed the bakery section!

mauvaisroux

09-24-2003, 08:43 PM

I hear ya dipthong! I am not a bread eater, don't care much for sandwiches or toast but as soon as I smell fresh baked crusty bread I cave! In the past I have eaten most of a French baguette by myself with butter while watching t.v.

I love to cook and enjoy fresh ingredients- everything tastes better when it is homemade and not processed. I have to admit though I do still sometimes cheat with storebought spaghetti sauce for quick mid week meals but I try to make sure they are low-sugar and with few ingredients and no chemicals.

I certainly don't eat out as much as I used to and always brown bag my lunch so I am saving calories and $$$ :)

diphthong

09-24-2003, 10:38 PM

I hear ya! We used to eat out several times a week, and usually the all u can scarf American Chinese buffets. And then come home and took a nap! When I was working, we rarely ate at home, and if we did it was fast food or take out. I was too beat and it was just too convenient. Plus we had this ridiculous amount of food in the house, and stored in the basement.

Looking back at it, I think much of it was because of my childhood. My mother did the grocery shopping on Saturday, by Sunday night all the goodies were gone, and by Friday dinner we were eating eggs or pancakes until she got to the store again on Saturday. My best friend's house was just the opposite. Anything you had a taste for or wanted was always there. THAT made an impression on me, and ever since I became queen of the household, you could walk in anytime and have what you desired. But! I was also a struggling single mother for 11 years before I met my current DH, and we lived food-wise the same way my mother raised us (who was also single but a widow.) That was one of many "breakthrough moments" for me - how I interpreted the meaning of food, and it's importance. I didn't see it as fuel for the body, but rather instant self-gratification that should be available any time on a whim.

I consider myself lucky because I definitely made some startling self-revelations after reading SELF MATTERS. I said somewhere today on the board that the timing for Dr. Phil to release this book couldn't have been more perfect for me. It is what I needed to get even deeper into my soul.

FLgal

09-25-2003, 09:48 AM

I hear you too, dipthong. Especially in the area of grocery stores and the bakery section. I think that is why I learned to talk to myself. One time my blood sugar was 357 and I was being really strick with my diet to get it down. I went into the grocery store just to get a gallon of milk. Right in front of the milk, they had a big display of cookies. That was so tempting to me. I wanted to grab a package and start eating. I realize that the stores do that on purpose and I had the reaction they wanted. But, I didn't buy them. I knew I couldn't. When I would pass the bakery section, I'd tell myself that it smells and looks better than it tastes. And it does. Also, I would analyze what is in it. I would see the donuts and think "they are only flour, sugar and grease, why do I want that?" I don't!
I think this forum on Dr. Phil's book is great.

Nita

MrsK

09-25-2003, 12:46 PM

Want to hear a definition of hell?

My husband bakes fresh bread several times a week, for us and for friends and family.

My house often smells like the bakery at the grocery store!

He also makes to die for bagels and croissants. :s:

Right now he's working one some fat free, whole wheat and whole grain breads for me! Gotta love him, but I wish he wasn't so good at baking! :D

diphthong

09-25-2003, 01:11 PM

Ouchy, That would be absolute hell for me too. Any chance of getting him to stop, or do it elsewhere, in order to rally him into your support system?

Funny how our loved ones can be unwitting (or are they?) saboteurs? There was a discussion started this morning at another forum I frequent here, called Ladies Who Lift. Here's what I had to say - and again, you are not alone:

(what’s with family and saboteurs?) LOL. I had a good one yesterday from DH. He has been at a seminar this week that lunch was catered. Each day I asked him what he had and how much. He admitted he ate things he should have passed on and alot of it. Last night he comes home with tales of fettucini alfredo, while I just sat there and smiled. I knew he would see a weight gain, since he weighs every morning too. But the killer was when he got up from the table, he went to his briefcase and whipped out a King-Size Milky Way and put it in front of me. I jumped up and walked away, telling him to take it with him. I didn't desire it, but was angry that just because he messed up, he wanted me to join him. My satisfaction came this morning when he weighed. He had broken 199 last week and was down to 198 Monday morning. This morning he was 202. I was nice and polite. Just said I hoped he had learned a lesson that if we go back to the old way of eating, what will happen. Also said if I had broken 199 and gained, that it would break my heart. The personal satisfaction came knowing the Milky Way was some where here in the house, and I didn't cave.

dip

Angel26519

09-25-2003, 07:39 PM

DIP- YEAH!!!!!! How powerful and strong you are!

We are proud of you and you should be of yourself!!!!

Keep up the good work!

Lavender Fields

09-26-2003, 02:36 PM

Originally posted by diphthong
Funny how our loved ones can be unwitting (or are they?) saboteurs? There was a discussion started this morning at another forum I frequent here, called Ladies Who Lift. Here's what I had to say - and again, you are not alone:

(what’s with family and saboteurs?)

dip

Dip, I am so proud of you! First for turning down the candy bar, and second, for recognizing his "Cheat with me" mentality. I'll bet you Dr. Phil will discuss how others can be saboteurs to our desires, too; all sabotage doesn't come from within. However, we do make the choices. (I admit, some are harder than others!) I think about 2 months ago, maybe 6 weeks, Dr. Phil had a program on where he was discussing people who had lost weight and their family was complaining, like they were grouchy, or no longer any fun. Some of them, I could see their point, but some of them needed to lose weight themselves, and probably jealous of their loved one's accomplishments!

Tricia

Musicgal

09-27-2003, 06:42 PM

Tuesday's show was a real therapy session! There were times I was crying. But I think Dr. Phil should make some things clearer to his viewers. First of all, I believe he did say (or it may have been on his website) that the weight shows were going to be on Mondays after the first week, then all of a sudden he gives us another one on Tuesday during the second week! Second of all, he said he was going to pick 12 challengers and he picks 13! Well, I have to admit I was glad he did, but then he says only 8 can stay! What's up with that! I think Dr. Phil to get real with his audience! Just my opinion.

mauvaisroux

09-27-2003, 11:38 PM

Way to go on saying no to the candy bar Dip! :bravo:

Rowan Bailey

09-29-2003, 11:44 AM

Dip,
What a wonderful husband and how strong you are! You know I have a male friend, we live close and being that we are both single, we will eat together most nights. One of our fav nights is sushi night, being that I am low carbing, I can't do sushi as often (shouldn't do it at all--but hey that wouldn't be real).

Painfully, I asked him if we could eat sushi less and that every night that we didn't eat sushi, I would cook something yummy for him. I thought that he would be upset, he was a bit disappointed, but now we do sushi every other week together, and he runs by and gets sushi for lunch to satisfy his cravings.

Maybe you can ask him to cut back on how much he bakes, at least during this time, to assist you during this important time.

We are always here for you....your so strong, I don't think that I could be that strong...I love the bread thing.....

mauvaisroux

09-30-2003, 09:31 PM

Wow! I just watched Monday and Tuesday's shows back to back :eek:

Monday's show was very eye opening and so sad to see how these people feel about themselves. It was also hard to see that I have some things in common with them as to how and why I defeat myself-some things I didn't realise that I do to myself.
I felt bad for everyone but especially at the end where that woman (can't remember her name) -the redhead that wears a lot of make up- said that she sometimes doesn't want to get up in the morning and go out into the world and that she sometimes lies there and thinks that she wants to die - that she feels that she has no purpose in the world - I was crying along with her.

Tuesday's show - ha! I knew he would keep all 13 people! :D
And I am glad I did. I am sorry but when he read Kim's e-mail to Angela I thought the exact same thing that he did. It was not very supportive and I took it as her suggesting that Angela should quit- maybe Kim was trying to help her but it did not come across that way :shrug:

I am finding watching the shows in conjunction with reading the book very helpful. After he talked about real weight the charts in the book made more sense -the chart is just a guideline and you should really be thinking about a weight that you are physically and mentally comfortable.

Rowan Bailey

10-01-2003, 01:23 AM

Mauv-
I knew he would keep all 13 and I am thrilled at how he is marrying what he is doing with them and inviting us to join in...it is very inspiring. I am really enjoying this and don't feel alone. There are times that I would get so mad at myself if I wasn't such a wimp I would smack myself upside my head!!!!

mauvaisroux

10-01-2003, 08:58 AM

I agree Rowan. I really like the fact that he is trying to get everyone at home to follow along and join the challenge.

One of the recurring themes when he interviewed the women in the group was one of feeling alone, helpless, guilty and ashamed.
I know a lot of people struggle with the same things and it was very comforting to see total strangers admitting this to themselves - you felt like - aha! It is not just me!

I could relate to several comments Dr. Phil made like being a cheerleader for other people but not for yourself, putting a good face on when you feel miserable inside etc. It certainly takes up a lot of energy to pretend everything is okay all the time.

diphthong

10-01-2003, 10:56 AM

Hi all! We were away for a long weekend so I had my son tape Monday for me, and then yesterday I taped Tuesday right behind it.

Yesterday morning while on the treadmill, I watched Monday's program. It also dawned on me that having the shows to watch while reading the book is really helping me too. I finished the book over the weekend, but I'm going back and reviewing every single page, marked with alot of yellow highlighter, and making a list of the things I still need to change. Biggest one is environment, even though I cleaned out cabinets and frig months ago. And I do shop by a healthy grocery list. The biggest project will be turning the dining room from an office (I used to work from home) into a real dining room. We watch TV during meals in the dinette that adjoins the family room, and I do 90% of my reading at that table. Since changing the way and what we eat several months back, we don't mindlessly overeat - anymore. But I would like to have a quiet and pleasant place to eat and not have the news distracting us from meaningful conversation.

>>"It certainly takes up a lot of energy to pretend everything is okay all the time."<<

Ain't that the truth! Little did I realize that our consistent weight gains were speaking louder than the fake smiles and constant pleasantness of everybody's favorite couple. HA!

I'm going to watch both programs again now while I do my treadmill before I comment on any of the challengers. I have formed some opinions about Kim, Angela, the redhead (can't remember her name either) and Az college girl and her parents. But I could be jumping to conclusions!

dip

sillymonkey

10-01-2003, 11:09 AM

If anyone's checked out the 'homework' on Dr. Phil's site, it's a lot of the important information straight from the book (Locus of Control worksheet for this week). I know a lot of people have said they really can't afford the book right now - looks like you don't have to worry about it too much. Between the web material, the shows and this group, you'll be kept highly informed on how to work the program.

This also gives me faith in Dr.P's method's. A lot of diets are in it for the money, and are very secretive about their programs until you pay up. Dr. P - well, sure, he's making money at it (and covering his costs of course), but he seems to be setting it up that you can do the program regardless of how little or how much financial investment you can make. It's about actually changing your life - not just how much money you can devote to changing your life. I really respect that. Also, by opening it up to the masses, he's leaving himself open to a lot of criticism about how well his program works - yet this doesn't seem to phase him either, and in turn boosts my confidence that this is finally the right road to take.

Anyways, just my 2 cents :)

NicoleNYC

10-01-2003, 08:04 PM

I have been following the shows and I have to say I find some of those people difficult to pull for. I know that's awful but two of them seem to be in it for Maximum Drama Potential all the time and I really dislike that in a person. Using your past misfortune for attention or to manipulate other people makes me really question every single thing they say and do. I'm always wondering what their REAL motivation is.

So far, I really relate to Sarah in that it's my own procrastionation and inertia that have gotten me here. I adore Ann Marie as well - I recognize that peppy love-me-I'm-fine thing she has going on. It will be interesting, and painful, to watch her progress.

mauvaisroux

10-01-2003, 08:54 PM

SillyMonkey- I totally agree with you with regard to his website. I think he is genuinely trying to help people. And he has repeated over and over that this is a life change, not a quick fix, not a diet - so he has warned people that they will have to work at it! :lol:

Dip and Nicole- don't feel bad - I am sure we have all formed some kind of opinions on the participants based on their behaviour - we will end up liking some, being indifferent about others and not liking a few.

I really like Anne-marie - she does put on a protective shell with her happy go lucky attitude but she comes across to me like a sweet caring girl who is hurting inside- I just want to give her a big hug :)

There are two or three people who I don't think are as committed to this program as much as the others but who knows :shrug: they may find themselves during the journey and undergo major changes.

I do hope they all do well and that there is a major overall change in North American's attitudes towards their health and eating habits - hope Dr. Phil starts a revolution! :lol:

Aquareggie

10-02-2003, 11:16 AM

I'm not on this program, but I do watch the shows and read these threads. I just wanted to comment on what Dip said.

Ain't that the truth! Little did I realize that our consistent weight gains were speaking louder than the fake smiles

You just gave me an OMG! moment. :D I knew I was unhappy, but my life looks so great from the outside. And then I read what you said, and it really makes sense. Sometimes we talk about being happy, but when we look at what we are doing to our bodies (which are ourSELVES), the truth comes out.

AR

MrsK

10-02-2003, 12:34 PM

Originally posted by diphthong
Ouchy, That would be absolute hell for me too. Any chance of getting him to stop, or do it elsewhere, in order to rally him into your support system?

Funny how our loved ones can be unwitting (or are they?) saboteurs?

In my darling husband's defense - He is definitely on my support team. He is learning and trying new recipes of whole wheat and whole grain breads and experimenting with making my favourite breads without the fat that was in them.

And he hasn't baked a batch of croissants in weeks.

He is totally on my side in this and he is extremely supportive.

He does bake other types of breads for people as gifts and thank yous. Those that are healthy he makes a loaf for us. Those that would wreck my plan he gives away.

And again, he's making a concerted effort to experiment with recipes and making breads he's never made before.

MrsK

10-02-2003, 12:44 PM

Speaking of an "ah-ha" moment.

On Monday's show when Dr. Phil was talking to Thomas/Donnie I had one of those "ouch" moments where something Dr. Phil said hit waaaay to close to home to be comfortable.

Dr. Phil asked Thomas if he loved his daughter enough to die for her and then said, "... but you don't love her enough to live for her."

That really struck me in a full force frontal assault. That is exactly what I have been doing with my dd. :eek:

I was glad that Dr. Phil kept all 13, sorta. I was a bit miffed at Kim's e-mail to Angela. I think she was totally out of line and completely not being supportive. But something about her just rubs me the wrong way ... so I just kind of ignore her.

I worry about Sarah not really taking this seriously and in part I wonder if it is her age and relative immaturity. She doesn't really have any motivating factors in her life like an abusive spouse you wanna kick to the curb, a child to live for, a career to build self-respect for ... She seems to have been really pampered by her parents and allowed to slide for so long that I think Dr. Phil really is going to mess up her playhouse as he put it!

mauvaisroux

10-02-2003, 01:25 PM

Mrs. K. - that is so good of your husband to be helping you out with his healthy breads - give him a pat on the back for me for being so supportive! :cp: It is so much easier when your spouse, family or roomate is OP with you :)

Regarding the participants - I don't feel that Judith, Sarah, Fred or Kim are taking this as seriously as the others so far but they may make more of an effort as the weeks wear on - I hoping all of the participants will do well for their own sakes as well as for being an inspiration to others :D

diphthong

10-02-2003, 03:59 PM

:dance: A Big AW RIGHT! for Mr. K! That is so great to hear (read) about his support.

I think it's going to be real interesting to watch Sarah, and yes it appears that her parents have let her get by with, - - - well, we'll see what happens. I thought when Dr. Phil told her he would yank her *** out of bed personally each morning was a big clue. I know teens like to sleep alot, but I think she needs abig dose of reality, self-accountability and responsibility. Does she still live at home?

Anyway, I rewatched the programs, and confirmed what I think I suspected about Angela. Me thinks she uses her victimhood to attempt to manipulate people to get what she needs or wants. For example, she said that if she wasn't one of the final 8, "that somebody just wrote me a death sentence." 1. Doesn't take responsibility for her condition, and 2. "If you don't pick me, I will die." (or was she insinuating suicide?) Then, she tried to convince everyone that she can't do the challenge because she can't afford it being unemployed. Well, how did she feed her daughter and herself before the challenge? When they showed a tape of her and her daughter eating together, it didn't appear to me that they were eating pancake and pasta because that's all she could afford. They were eating gigantic sandwiches they could barely get their mouths around.

As for Kim - ppffft! I see right through her self-righteous, look at what I've got and you don't, fake persona. She is going to be a tough nut to crack because she thinks so highly of herself and it's easy for her to criticize the others. I bet by the time Dr. Phil gets done with her, she'll be on her knees crying her heart out. There's something there that's so deep, it's gonna take an awful lot of work to pull out. She consciously has no idea that she has some very deep-seated problem.

What do you all think about Terry and her wonderful boyfriend? I think she will fail because of him.

And Judith - I wrote her off from day 1. I think Fred will do great, once he gets into it for Fred. I also think Monica and Barbara will do fantastic.

Gosh, this is better than a soap opera!

dip

mauvaisroux

10-02-2003, 04:50 PM

Yeah dip, nice boyfriend Terry has there :rolleyes: He sounds like has issues of his own - I can't believe the things he said to her on the phone when she called him from the mansion. It was all about him and his feelings and that stuff about how he would go back on drugs while she was away - for pete's sake, she was only gone for 3 freakin'days! What a selfish beast! :mad:

He sounds like he will deliberately try to undermine Terry in order to keep her close and control her so that she won't develop her self confidence and that she will not slim down so other men won't find her attractive and she will dump him as she becomes her own person and gets stronger -classic case. He probably needs to see a dr. to get some help for his own problems.

Oh dear, I feel like I am gossiping on the interet now :o But I do hope Terry does it for herself and her child. Everyone deserves the chance to find themselves and be happy with who they are :)

NicoleNYC

10-02-2003, 07:37 PM

I feel for Terry. If she's let that guy hang around and has actually made an effort to keep him, she has some serious mountains to climb. What an *** he is.

As for Kim's e-mail to Angela - I THINK I understand what Kim was saying. I probably would've said some of the same things. You have to pay your bills, you have to feed your kid, you have to keep a roof over your head. Maybe other people are just more comfortable with - I dunno, Welfare or whatever her alternatives might be - but to me, sometimes you have to be practical. I don't know how much help a career councelor will be when she's trying to make rent. And I think Kim did mention that even if she dropped out with Dr. Phil, she still had the book and the GROUP would not drop out on her. I think the point she might've been trying to make is, "so you're not on tv, you can still do this, don't feel bad when you have to do what you have to do."

Also, I think Kim projects a tough image and seems like such a hardazz because everyone else is so mooshy and so many of them are have such dramatic stories. She doesn't have that horrible trauma background so she's not getting the sympathy vote, she doesn't have the tears or the big sad story. She seems pretty tough. I personally don't dislike that in a person - of course she could still turn out to be a Class A wench so maybe I should hold all opinions tlll the end ;)

NicoleNYC

10-02-2003, 07:49 PM

Originally posted by diphthong

I think it's going to be real interesting to watch Sarah, and yes it appears that her parents have let her get by with, - - - well, we'll see what happens.
I know teens like to sleep alot, but I think she needs abig dose of reality, self-accountability and responsibility.

Didn't we all at that age? And don't many of us now?

Originally posted by diphthong

Me thinks she uses her victimhood to attempt to manipulate people to get what she needs or wants. For example, she said that if she wasn't one of the final 8, "that somebody just wrote me a death sentence." 1. Doesn't take responsibility for her condition, and 2. "If you don't pick me, I will die." (or was she insinuating suicide?) Then, she tried to convince everyone that she can't do the challenge because she can't afford it being unemployed. Well, how did she feed her daughter and herself before the challenge? When they showed a tape of her and her daughter eating together, it didn't appear to me that they were eating pancake and pasta because that's all she could afford. They were eating gigantic sandwiches they could barely get their mouths around.

I think she has had a job up to this point. I have to admit, I wondered what these people did for a living that would work with them around this kind of schedule for ten months. That's a lot to ask of any job.

Also, it's important to remember that Dr. Phil's camera crew didn't show up in the middle of a meal and start shooting. That was staged for maximum drama, which is one of the slight issues I have with this whole series - I feel so bad for these people. You KNOW these are all staged moments (the shots at home, of them eating, etc) and it has to be humiliating.

Originally posted by diphthong

As for Kim - ppffft! I see right through her self-righteous, look at what I've got and you don't, fake persona. She is going to be a tough nut to crack because she thinks so highly of herself and it's easy for her to criticize the others. I bet by the time Dr. Phil gets done with her, she'll be on her knees crying her heart out. There's something there that's so deep, it's gonna take an awful lot of work to pull out. She consciously has no idea that she has some very deep-seated problem.

I think Kim did mention ONCE that she has a lot to be happy for and no real excuse or reason to drive her to be overweight and make herself miserable. I'm not sure how that makes her "self-righteous" or "fake."

Originally posted by diphthong

What do you all think about Terry and her wonderful boyfriend? I think she will fail because of him.

And Judith - I wrote her off from day 1. I think Fred will do great, once he gets into it for Fred. I also think Monica and Barbara will do fantastic.
dip

I think Terry might surprise you. This might be just the thing she needs to send that guy packing. Her own motivation is very strong, I don't think she'll let him hold her back.

I don't have much of an impression about Judith at all. She seems to take it pretty seriously.

I'm trying to watch this closely and keep an open mind, I have already recognized a few of my behaviors or patterns or whatever in some of these people. Granted, it's not like, "Oh, so and so is JUST LIKE ME" but I am getting bits and pieces from all of them. Consequently, I don't like to write any of them off just yet. I'm even pulling for Leslie and Angela who are not people I would like in real life, but I'm sure eventually I'll be able to take something away from each of them that will help me in my efforts.

JUST WANTED TO ADD: I'm so glad to find other people to hash this out with - I always have so many thoughts flying around during and after a show, it's FABULOUS to have someone (or a group of someones) to discuss it with! YAY!

mauvaisroux

10-02-2003, 09:20 PM

I agree with you Nicole - I am still rooting for everyone even :cp:
Even though some seem to exhibit certain behaviours or attitudes, we don't fully know what is going on in their day to day lives or what is going on inside their heads. Also you may act differently in front of the camera because you feel uncomfortable and a bit camera shy.

As I have said before I hope they all do well! :D

MrsK

10-04-2003, 10:57 AM

I hope they all succeed, too.

There are three women I'm really pulling for though and they are Terri, Monika and Marilyn. I'd like to see them all be able to tell those men of theirs that it is their way or the highway. I don't advocate getting rid of the men, necessarily. But if that is what it takes for these women to reclaim their lives then by all means ... kick'em to the curb. Espcially Marilyn whose hubby has cheated on her for 11 years!

Of course a lot of this has to do with the fact that my ex-husband was so much like these men that even watching them talk about their husbands/fiances makes me cringe.

Rowan Bailey

10-04-2003, 12:05 PM

Mrs.K --most men will support what we want to do---you hubby is just a doll.

The e-mail from Kim to Angela, while I think could have been kinder, I admire Kim for calling Angela on her crap. Angela is looking for an excuse, and Kim was standing for Angela, sometimes when we take a stand for our friends, it doesn't always make them feel good.

Marilyn's husband....well other then the fact that we all know what she should do, he really needs a swift kick in his arse by a big man in steel toed boots so that everytime he sits down he remember what a** he is. Doesn't he get that those remarks and the way that he treats her is EXACTLY why she seeks comfort in food....what a moron. HE needs therapy.

I think that all of them represent the emotions that all overweight people feel, and even though some of the attitudes may affect each of us different (agree w/ you mauv) I think that everyone will be able to relate to multiple attitudes all of them have...he really chose a microcosim of the obese community. Kudos to him...and it is interesting to see where I do have a judgement, even though I am fat, I am still watching myself judge some of them for what they say!!! whooo that was intresting!

I am checking out the website today and compelting this weeks and next weeks work for a book club posting....It looks like this week starts the Monday only show.

Love This Entire Process!!!

rb

Musicgal

10-04-2003, 05:10 PM

I apologize to Dr. Phil and for my last post because I believed that he wasn't being real with everyone. He said he was going to let some of the challengers go and I was going to feel bad for these people if he did that. Everyone deserves a chance. Turned out all 13 challengers will get a chance to do this. I am so happy for everyone. Am wondering how all of you are doing with the book. I finished it but I go over and over the chapters for reinforcement. I am really working on myself from the inside out and questioning my choices. I am trying to program myself to do other things instead of reaching for food. I am trying to eat from the food list and eat only the high-response foods. I lost two pounds in my first week of the challenge. This is not going to be easy but I believe it is the only way for me to get to a healthy weight for my size since most of my issues are emotionally and psychologically based. Good luck to all you challengers out there, especially the ones like us who are doing it on our own.

mauvaisroux

10-04-2003, 06:46 PM

Congrats on the 2lbs Musicgal! :cp: I am glad the book is helping you. I am enjoying reading it and am currently trying to apply some of the ideals discussed in the few chapters I have read.

I am currently following the an eating plan but I am also applying the ideas in the book to my life.

diphthong

10-07-2003, 07:33 AM

I had to work yesterday which is exceptional on Mondays, and I missed the show. What Happened?

dip

NicoleNYC

10-07-2003, 01:34 PM

Congratulations on the two pounds Musicgal!

I am reading the book, but I'm taking a few pages/exercises in a day and really working on it. I have found some things to be really helpful.

I am not using (and probably will not use) his diet plan or nutrition plan or whatever it is. I have my own personal philosophy about food/diets, that's not my issue. It's the brain work that I need.

As for the show yesterday - he went over the first key with a few of the challenge members. I think today might be more of the same.

NicoleNYC

10-08-2003, 02:09 PM

No Tuesday show this week? I'm so let down. I need my fix ;)

diphthong

10-13-2003, 06:31 PM

Well, today Dr. Phil addressed Healing Feelings, and I thought his talk with Jim was quite profound. Also, Barbara still wasn't sure what she needed to "tap into" regarding the death of her sisters. Dr. Phil gave her an assignment to write 20 pages on how her life could honor her sisters' memories. Ann Marie seemed to get it and I think she'll do well, if the date rapes are her only issues.

Things I jotted down while watching today's show -

Emotional Closure
Love yourself with Life
Pride of Achievemnet
Good Steward of Mind and Body
I AM DOING THIS

Some days I don't think I am totally through "emotional closure" because I still let angry thoughts enter my mind. I just don't dwell on them like I use to. The other phrases I can relate to since changing my way of eating and incorporating daily exercise into my life.

dip

nanj

10-15-2003, 11:41 AM

Dip,
The first two keys have been absolute h*ll for me! And, I know I will be dealling with stuff off and on. And I guess the key for me is "dealling with it". I don't know about you, but I have buried something so long and never dealt with it that some of that junk is going to resurface now and then. I hope that I will be able to incorporate the teaching of the BOOK when it does and keep off the binge eating. I was so upset that I missed the show Monday. I would like to see how people are dealing with healing, and the Dr. Phil Web site is so vague on the synopsis of the show. It sure helps me to hear how they deal with things and how Dr. Phil has them approach it. I'm so feeble minded or maybe overwhelmed that I just don't know what steps to take sometimes. Hope things are going well for you. I am trying to remember that "Yesterday is gone, the future is tomorrow, but today is now."

Libra925

10-15-2003, 12:41 PM

Good morning, everyone. I finally decided that I am just going to read through the book without making any notes or completing any of the questions. Then I'm going to go through it carefully making notes, highlighting and doing all of the exercises. I really believe I'm going to do this this time. I weighed this morning and I've lost 3 lbs from last week. That's 3lbs I promise myself I'm NEVER going to have to lose again. No more back and forth. I'm making a commitment to me to do all the "inside" work I need to do to overcome my bad habits. I'm learning more about myself everyday and what makes me to the things I do that keep me from optimal health.

Sorry, I didn't mean to get on my soapbox, but I feel like I've had an awakening and I'm excited about it. I am beginning to feel like I'm worth whatever it takes to be the person I know I can be.

Have a great day!!

Marilyn