We’ve been messing around with this string of EPOs DIL filed but now it’s time to get down to the nitty gritty.  At 10:00, we all have to meet at the Children and Family Services office to “address all the allegations” and the social worker will let us know what she’s going to recommend.  She’s been very close mouthed about what her recommendation will be but I’m certainly not impressed by the amount of effort she’s put into this.  She’s met with DH and I once for about 30 or 45 minutes, the kids once for about 30 minutes and DS once for 30 minutes.  I don’t have any idea how many times she’s met with DIL.  At least, after this morning, we’ll have an idea of how the social worker feels about things and which way the wind’s blowing.  She’s been very standoffish and I have to admit, that scares me to death.  She’s refused to look at our documentation about DIL’s past and current problems and she hasn’t spoken to any of DS’s neighbors or any of our other witnesses.  I find it extremely difficult to believe that she can make any kind of informed recommendation other than to place the kids with DH and I and continue the case with DS and DIL.

I’m not sure about what’s going on this week.  I’m available for whatever we need to do.  I think tomorrow is DS’s hearing on his EPO and Thursday we go to Family Court to hear what the judge has to say.  Next week is when DS goes to court on DIL’s assault charge.  This entire mess makes me feel like pond scum.  One nasty battle after another.  The bad thing is that I don’t like to talk bad about anyone.  Even DIL.  I can hate what she’s done and continues to do to my family but I’m not the kind of person who derives any kind of satisfaction from standing in front of a social worker/judge and spewing out accusations and airing dirty laundry.  Still, I’ll do it.  Even though it makes me feel horrible.  The things DIL does are so nasty and manipulative that it almost makes me feel like no one would believe it anyway.  I mean, if she’s all that bad, why would anyone be involved with her in the first place?  Oh, wait, I forgot…my son would.  Again and again.

DS says he’s totally done with her.  Says there’s nothing that would ever move him to let her back into his life again.  Perhaps that’s true.  This is the second time she’s thrown them into the mayhem of Child Protective Services and it’s a nightmare.  He says he thought she’d learned her lesson after the nightmare we all went through the first time.  Yeah, I thought you’d learned your lesson too.  Maybe he has.  He certainly doesn’t seem to have any feelings left for her.

Thanks, friends, for all your support and advice.  I’ve been so upset by all this I’ve been living in my own little world and haven’t been able to see beyond the current crisis but your support has meant so much to me.  Even if I haven’t been able to respond as much as I should.  And then, there are some of you that I’ve tried to answer but I don’t have a link and can’t find your blogs.  Sunnydaze comes to mind as well as Michelle.

So now, I guess I go to the shower, do my hair and makeup, dress in something flattering and authoritative without trying to be ostentatious and begin the real battle.  Keep me in your prayers.

1:30 - I’m in shock.  I’m numb.  They’re going to recommend custody for DIL.

It felt like a setup from the moment we walked in.  The caseworker said we were supposed to meet at 10:00 and tell the security guard that we were supposed to be in the green room because of the EPO.  We walked in and DIL is sitting there.  We went to the desk and told the security guards that we were supposed to be in the green room.  They told us to have a seat.  DIL was sitting on one side of the room and we took a seat on the other side.  She immediately grabs her purse, jumps up and goes over to the security guards and tells them that DS is not supposed to be in the same room with her.  They tell her to have a seat right beside them and she’s talking to them and, after a minute or two, they take her to another room.  I couldn’t believe it.  Just last night she transferred all of DS’s SuperAmerica credit points to her account.  Obviously, she’s not afraid of him, nor does she have reason to be.  It was all for show.

The social worker came in and said they were going to talk with her and then they’d send us back and talk with us.  They talked with her for about 45 minutes and then called us back.  The social worker was there and a  woman who said she was the “mediator”.   She showed us a chart with the “rules”.  Show respect for all parties.  Talk one at a time.  Do not interrupt another person.  No yelling.  No cursing, etc. etc.  She said we’d discuss concerns, strengths, and then discuss recommendations. 

She began by showing us the chart they had started with DIL showing her version of her strengths.  It was laughable:
Good job (8 months)
Good home (where?  who’s supporting her now?)
Good family support (Who???? Her entire family has written her off as a lost cause.)
Insurance for the kids.
I can’t even remember the other ones.  They were pretty trivial.

They asked us for our strengths.  DS said he owns his home.  He said he’s worked as a chef for 15 years.  He said he’s always supported the kids and taken care of them.  He said he has excellent family support.

Concerns:  DIL said DS drinks almost every evening.  She said he’s abusive. 

DS said DIL is bi-polar and non compliant with her medication.  He said she routinely takes off for days or weeks at a time.  He said she gets off work almost every Friday and doesn’t come home until Sunday, drunk and broke.  He said she’s physically and verbally abusive.

Discussion: This is where everything went horribly wrong.  The social worker said she has serious concerns about DS’s drinking.  He told her he drinks several beers three or four nights a week.  He said he does not have a drinking problem but likes to relax after work and have a few beers.  The social worker said DIL says he has a problem.  DS says he doesn’t.  The social worker says, “If you’re drinking several beers three or four nights a week, you have a problem.”  DS says, “I don’t have a drinking problem.  I like to relax after work with five or six beers.”  The social worker says, “That’s a problem.  You’re obviously not willing to admit that you have a drinking problem and that gives me serious concerns.”  I said, “I’ve never known him to have a drinking problem.  During the year and a half we had custody of the kids, he never drank at all.”  The social worker says, “How dedicated are you to these kids?  Wouldn’t you agree that anyone who finds it necessary to drink several beers almost every night has a problem?”  I said, “Yes.  I would agree that anyone who feels it necessary to drink several beers almost every night would have a problem but I have never known DS to have that kind of problem.”  She said, “Well, I feel that’s a serious concern and an unhealthy environment for children.”  DS said, “What about DIL?  She gets off work almost every Friday and goes out and blows her entire check on drinking and partying with her friends and doesn’t come home until Sunday.”  The social worker said, “I don’t care what she does on her own time.  She’s not around the kids when she does it.”  My concern is with the kids.  I said, “Obviously, she’s not terribly concerned with the kids.  She’s abandoned them four times in the past year, taken the car, taken all the money, and disappeared for days or weeks at a time.”  The social worker said, “Where was the father?”  DS said, “I was right there.  I’ve never abandoned the kids.”  The social worker said, “She didn’t either if she left them with you.  How can you say she abandoned them if you had custody?” 

It continued like this for some time.  Everytime we brought up something they either said, “That was in the past and we’re looking at the here and now.” or “You still let her back into their lives so, obviously, you weren’t that concerned about it.  If it was a real issue, you should have reported her to CPS.  If you didn’t, you weren’t all that worried about it happening around the kids.”

Everytime we brought up a concern that wasn’t listed during the “concerns” period of the meeting, they said, “You didn’t bring this up when we asked about concerns so we’re not going to consider it.  You had an opportunity to list all your concerns and strengths at the beginning of the meeting.  You can’t add to the list as we go along.”

Bottom line, they said, “We’re recommending custody for the mother.  She has a good job and a stable home and family support.  You’ve made a lot of accusations but there’s no evidence to support them.   On the other hand, we feel that you have a drinking problem and you haven’t produced any evidence to the contrary.  You won’t even accept the idea that you do have a drinking problem.”

I said, “I can’t believe you would recommend custody for her.  Haven’t you heard anything that’s been said?  Have you even taken the time to look at the file?  You haven’t talked to any of our witnesses or done anything to really investigate this.”

The social worker said, “I have done my job and I resent you saying that I haven’t.  I have met with all the parties and I feel confident with my recommendation.  It will be up to the judge to make the final decision.”

I said, “Okay, I’m going to lay it on the line.  It terrifies me to think that you would recommend custody for her.  She has never provided for these kids.  She has a drug problem.  She’s bi-polar and loves to create drama and drag everyone down with her.  Anytime she has to make a choice between what the kids need and what she wants, she does what she wants and the kids are the ones who suffer.  If you don’t feel secure with recommending custody for DS at this time, at least recommend temporary custody with me until you’ve had time to look into this further.”

The social worker said, “I don’t feel like you’re a neutral party.  You haven’t said one positive thing about her since you entered this room.  She said many positive things about you and your son and you two haven’t given her any credit at all for her accomplishments.  I believe that people can overcome their pasts and I believe that she’s ready to care for her kids.  I’m not saying the judge will give her custody but I don’t see any reason whatsoever to not recommend her to the judge.  The only “real” issue I have is with your son’s drinking.  It may or may not be a problem but I don’t have any evidence of her doing drugs, abusing the kids, or having any problems that would interfere with the kids well being that are not simply unfounded accusations.  What’s in her past is in her past.  She assures me that she is more than capable of caring for the kids.  Your son however, admits freely that he drinks and doesn’t think that’s a problem.  I do.”

So there we are.  She’s been “good” for six weeks and she’s managed to fool them.  It’s tragic.  I don’t know what to do at this point.

13 Comments

susan says 21st July @ 8:27

(((((HUGS)))))

Sunny says 21st July @ 8:30

aww sweetie. Definitely in my prayers. :: HUGE HUGS ::

round says 21st July @ 9:20

Have strength Patty.

This is a community of people aligned towards a common goal but with lives full of other things. We are a group, and sometimes you give support, sometimes you get it. Right now I want you to pull as much support from us as you possibly can, because this is a very challenging time for you & your family.

Hugs

paperskin says 21st July @ 10:41

I hope everything goes well, and this social worker will see the light.. but she is a real idiot from what you have told us so I can understand why you are so worried. I would be too. My prayers are with you and your family.

Sunny says 21st July @ 11:53

Just sent up another prayer for you, and the kids. :: hugs ::

beerab says 21st July @ 13:59

Hope it all works out- let us know what happens!

I’m glad your son says he’s totally done with her this time. lol. put a rubberband on his arm and anytime he mentions her pull it! ;)

sunnydaze says 21st July @ 15:42

Hugs and prayers.

Sunny says 21st July @ 15:43

OMG I’m so sorry, but unfortunately we saw this coming. And for your son to admit he has 5-6 beers, 3-4 nights a week, IS serious. In that regard, I can’t blame the social worker. That said, what IS her claim of stability and child support. IF it isn’t your son or you and your husband, who cares for the children? If and when the judge gives her custody, your son needs to ask-at that court date-what happens when she wants to just drop the kids off with him, or with you? At what point does she stop getting to use that type of irresponsibility? Because we all know that that is what’s going to happen. Your grandkids are getting screwed over now because your son was an idiot and kept letting her come back in. Sad, but true. I’m sure this is just a temporary situation; we all know she doesn’t really want full time custody and can’t live up to it. :: sigh ::

I’m so very, very sorry Pat. :( :: hugs ::

susan says 21st July @ 15:50

I don’t understand why she wants the kids so much if she is so hell-bent on pleasing only herself. Seems like she’s doing this to screw with DS.
I’m so sorry, Patty.

beerab says 21st July @ 17:24

It’s gonna be a long and hard fight- you’ll see in the end things will be in your son’s favor. My friend dealt with her husband’s ex’s crap for YEARS. She went from partial custody to no custody and NOW has supervised visits a few times a year. It took them years to keep this woman away from her son (she sounds JUST like your DIL).

If (God forbid) she gets any sort of custody keep tabs on everything- write everything down- refuse to take the kids if she asks on time that isn’t DS’s, if the kids tell you ANYTHING about drinking and drugs go to your lawyer, etc.

This looks like it’s going to be a fight that’s going to be ongoing :( Unfortunately unless she does something crazy (like drive under the influence with the kids) it looks like she may be given some sort of custody. But your DS should fight for at least half so he doesn’t have to pay child support at least.

Pft if having a beer or two in front of your kids is bad then we’d all have our children taken away from us. I’d tell DS that at the next hearing to say that he’s not drinking beers anymore because his kids are more important to him AND he doesn’t have an issue.

This social worker is STUPID- so going off partying weekends is OKAY for a parent to do? But him having a beer at home is wrong? WHO gave this woman a job?!

*hugz*

Joy says 21st July @ 18:19

Oh Patty :(
This is horrid :(
I am so sorry, I am here. We are all here to support you in whatever way we can. I am so sorry.

Your DS can still win the ‘war’ even if he lost this battle. He has no choice he HAS to go to AA drinking problem or not. he now has to play the game that this NITWIT social worker laid out for him. He has to do whatever she says and in the long run the DIL will take off again in which case he needs to call the police and file for emergency temporary custody. he need to prep all of this now and have it ready for when she goes on one of her little ‘trips’. Gosh almighty those poot kids! I cried when i read this because this social worker is supposed to be here for them NOT the insane DIL. There is a special place in HELLo for people like this social worker!!! Again I am so sorry patty. I wish I could do more than pray, give you my thoughts, good wishes and ))HUGS((( It just does not feel enough. I am so sorry :(
If I can do more please e-mail me.
God bless you and yours Patty.

firefly says 21st July @ 22:58

Aw Patty. I’m so sorry to hear this. I’m just shaking my head cause I’m not at all surprised, unfortunately. I’m sure DIL told the social worker and everyone else who would listen, that if she was so bad why did he keep taking her back. Obviously, she couldn’t be as bad as he and his family has made her out to be. And since you are DS mother, I’m also not surprised that she didn’t really take what you had to say as more than just taking your son’s side against DIL.

Unfortunately, they’ve latched onto his drinking. And Joy is right, he has to play the game now. He has to stop drinking asap. Because the social worker has made it a sticking point. Attending AA meetings would be a big bonus. He may think it’s admitting that he has a problem he doesn’t believe he has. But that’s really beside the point. It would negate the social worker’s issues if he can go into court saying that he has stopped drinking and is attending meetings to back that up. Patty, I hate to say this, but I wouldn’t be surprised if he finds that stopping drinking is MUCH harder than he thought. And he gets angry about it. And if that’s the case, then he does have a problem.

Let him use it to challenge her. Hey, he’s stopped drinking. He’ll gladly submit to random blood alcohol tests. He’s attending AA meetings. Will DIL agree to submit to random drug tests? Is she attending drug addiction meetings? Anyone can say they’ve stopped using, can she prove it? He’s willing to.

But at this point Patty, there is really nothing more you can do. He’s dug his own grave on this one. Unfortunately, its the kids who are going to suffer.

The only additional advice I can give for your son is this. If she does get back custody, even shared, he has GOT to journal. Every time she doesn’t show up when she’s supposed to. Every time she sloughs the kids off on him (or you). Every single time she doesn’t take her court ordered time with them. He has got to prove a pattern with her and it’s going to take time. He’s got to write it all down. And he should take the kids every single time she offers them. If he refuses, she can use that against him. It may seem like she’s taking advantage and she’ll probably abuse it, but really he’s just giving her enough rope to hang herself with eventually. He just has to be patient. And Not Ever Take Her Back EVER!

Patty, my advice for you is be the shoulder that your son needs to cry on but that’s it. This is not your battle. You can’t fight it for him. And stressing out about things you have absolutely no control over is the surest way to drive yourself completely mad. Now go grab a glass of wine and have a soak in that spa that I so envy. Nobody is going to question your sobriety - have a second one!

paperskin says 22nd July @ 1:02

From what I’ve read, this is just this dumb ass social worker’s recommendation, right? You still have to go in front of a judge. So that evidence, the documents you have about her ex getting her kids, and you getting custody last time.. take those with you to court. You HAVE to show the judge that the social worker has not taken these things into consideration when making her recommendation. As for the drinking, your DS has to just stop with the beers and tell the judge he has been sober for as long as he found out that these beers were an issue with respect to having his kids. The records you have of when she dropped off the kids bring that too.. and make sure the question is clearly asked.. when DIL decides to go on her disappearing acts, where will she be leaving the children if not with you or DS?


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